Wow! All these softballs this morning and no one is commenting. Or, have we heard it all before?

OK Will Underwood, sounds good. You've convinced me. We DO need to "fund an efficient single-payer health-care system that serves patients effectively".

Now, what's your plan?

@Raymond Adamek: So this Luhra Tivis was a doctor? A Registered Nurse? How qualified was this "employee" to make medical judgements on these "healthy women" with "healthy babies" coming to Dr. Tiller's clinic?

Godfather-how about you take your turn

@ Mr. Underwood, you're right about all of those "important" societal needs being fulfilled in a "socialized" fashion. Complicating the health care solution is the threat of diminished quality. That is why physicians, not government or industry (especially insurance and pharmaceutical industries) should be the key facilitators of developing a system that will put the patient first. Tricky.

@ Mr. Sawchik...well...I guess I might've been more gentle about it, but The Godfather, with his own deft touch, pretty much summed up what went through my mind upon reading your letter.

Hmm, where to begin...Obviously Raymond is anti-choice & surprise, a man. As for Dr. Tiller he's a hero & helps women, unlike anti's trying to take away women's rights. As for Cindie's letter on PP, glad to read PP is active in the community & helping people, unlike anti's, who like to pretend std's & aids don't exist & fund stupid abstinence programs.

@Renald Romain:

Still the sour grapes for buying a house 500 feet from the end of the runway?

Same griper about the KSU airport wanting to expand.

Shouldn't have bought into the Pamby Farms mystique??

Come on - talk about "eyes wide open"?

@Boris Sawchik:

More post-Bushian omniscience?

What's changed that made all these Regressives so introspective?

R Romain

Maybe its because they offer pilot training courses. Besides they were there before the residential developes and strip malls.

I'm beginning to think the ABJ is printing contraversial articles so readers will comment, thus increasing the hit count for this web site and increasing their advertising revenue.

Good plan! Paper is dead.

@Ray Adamek:

We can almost set our calendars to Ray's 30 days between submissions.

LifeSiteNews.com is just chock-full of Everything Conservative views like:

"Pope: It is a Childish Faith to Oppose the Church Teaching on Life and Family"

"Paying Women to Risk Their Lives To Help Scientists Clone - Wesley J. Smith"

"Guess who fired Miss California" (psst - it was THE GAYS!!)

Oh - and lots of references to people like Chuck Norris and Bill-O.

Not meaning to be too mean, but this is the family that had a recent horrid tragedy due to not believing in mental health care.

Self righteousness sure didn't help there.

Come on guys, lets start a collection and buy it!

Dear Nancy D,

Judging from your posts, you are currently in an abstinence program, but not by choice.

@No Pizza, No Peace:

Afraid of strong women, are we?????

Dear nottheusual1,

I don't get it.

You mean Nancy can beat me in arm wrestling?

dds18...What do you mean?? I'm a little slow this morning.

@Pizza: You seemed to be put off by her having an informed opinion.

"Strong" as in mentally acute.

no pizza no peace, Good one I agree with all you said. and nottheusual1, Nancy D who supports tiller a baby killer is not my definition of a strong woman. I unfortunatly cannot use the term I would have for her, but strong not one of them.

Dear nottheusual1,

Thanks for the enlightenment, but if that's an example of mental acuity, I'll have to look up their respective definitions as they must have changed.

@Watching No Pizza In Summit County:

Misogyny is another word you two should look up while Pizza's perusing the dictionary.

I'm amazed that men still feel that they have any right to **even have an opinion** about women's health issues.

"I'm amazed that men still feel that they have any right to **even have an opinion** about women's health issues"

That partial birth abortion is called a "health issue" is simply bizarre.

Dr. George Tiller was a murderer and got exactly what he deserved. Why should his life be any more important then an unborn childs. the notion that these babies could not survive is the biggest line of BS out there. Can any baby survive outside the womb when born? I don;t think a new baby could just be thrown into a crib and fend for themself. They require someone to feed and take care of them until they are able to take care of themselves. Call Tiller exactly what he was, a liberal Murderer who got what he deserved

Here come the self-righteous, morally superior men who will NEVER be faced with the agony of having to make that kind of decision. NEVER! Sometimes, guys, we're forced into it by the most God-awful circumstances - and by the MEN in our lives. Stop calling women and doctors "baby-killers."

I remember the days of coat hangers and knitting needles, and boys shoving their pregnant girlfriends down flights of stairs to cause a miscarriage. Roe v. Wade allows women safe and legal abortions. Very mature attacking Nancy the way you did. You don't know her.

@Renald Romain: Death or injury from emergency landing by KSU aircraft: ZERO

Death or injury from cars or motorcycles crashing into houses or businesses: Who's counting?

I for one congratulate the pilots for their professionalism. They did not land on a whim but in a real emergency and harmed no one.

@blkswn:

I don't buy the anecdotal evidence of the "baby killer" moniker.

And I could never think of a similar position a man could be in that would allow even a modicum of empathy for the decision that any abortion seeker would be making.

But, It's a bigger sin that "abstinence education" even exists. It is a self-loathing lie just like The Party's regressive stances on anything sexual.

An even bigger mystery is that you should feel that the individual's rights get trumped by a group of religious hypocrites and zealots.

Et tu, swn-ae?

@Rvot screeded:"Dr. George Tiller was a murderer and got exactly what he deserved. Why should his life be any more important then an unborn childs."

Who are you to make these decisions?

And I never read anything about his political affiliations - just Regressive's blah blah about "liberals". Your source?

Thank you, NotTheUsual1.

The anti-choicers are also anti-birth control, anti-Plan B (emergency contraception), anti-sex education, anti-social programs for poor single mothers, (you know, the women who DIDN'T have abortions after daddy took off), and anti-Planned Parenthood.

You had a choice to not spread open your legs. If you make the decision to have sex there are possible consequences. So instead you people try to justify yourselfs by killing an innocent child. It's called murder and regardless of some bleeding hearts trying to justify it as anything else is absurd. If you have the mindframe to get an abortion then by all means call it what it is, Murder or a killing. So now some doctor who has lied all these years and gotten away with killing innocent children gets murdered everyone want to jump up in arms. The world is a better place today without that murderer just as it is without those who are put to death. He won't be murdering anymore innocent children who didn't ask to be conceived. It's karma and the man got off easy compared to the amount of murders he committed.

@Rvot:

Absolutes belie an ignorance of reality.

Dogma is absurdity - and there is nothing karmic about what happened to Dr. Tiller.

It was a hateful and self-indulgent act by somebody who put themselves at the hand of God.

And hypocritical that somebody professing the religious chops to define God's meaning of Life would see it any other way.

That's absurdity beyond reproach.

Thanks @nottheusual1! Real Voice of Reason has no right to make decisions about who deserves what. This was a medical doctor doing procedures that are LEGAL. If you don't agree with abortion, then that is your right - don't have one. Feel free to peacefully demonstrate.
Does RVOR feel that all the justices who have continued to keep this legal should "get what they deserve" too?

Boris B. Sawchik, The job would be just as enormous and difficult for anyone. Its like the USA had a heart attack, a stroke and all the organs are shutting down.

Obama is taking action, which is better than those sitting there saying they don't know where to begin or those that just say no to everything he is trying to accomplish.

Thi is most likely one of the most toughest situations that any president has been faced with.

Mrs. Babik needs to get her facts straight. In the recent lay-offs at North Canton Public Library, there was a management position laid off, a 40 hour position. With the exception of one other position, all of the other people laid off at the library were part timers and over half of them were behind the scenes support staff. The presence of a union at the library allowed laid off employees to bump other employees, and many of the employees bumped, Mrs. Babik included, were part time public service staff. Ironically, all of the "solutions" offered by the staff to avoid lay-offs involved cutting service to patrons (such as closing one week per month, having shorter business days etc.). It was clear that the staff valued saving their jobs over serving the public. Also, the previous renovation took place in 2001; 8 years ago, not 5. And the bulk of the $800,000 used for the renovation project was gift money earmarked back in 2008 for the project. It was not operating money, and as such could not be used for operations. Mrs. Babik should be ashamed of herself for implyng that the level of service given to the public by her fellow staff members will now be low due to the lay-offs. She does not deserve to remain a member of what is an excellent staff. And she needs to grow up, get over it and face the fact that these are hard times we are living in, and there are lot of breadwinners out there who lost fulll time jobs, and the loss of a few part time jobs in a public library mean little or nothing to most people. Besides, if Strickland has his way, there will be virtually no one working in any library in Ohio in the not-to-distant future. Hopefully, negative, disloyal staff members like Mrs. Babik will be the first to go!

Dear Andy Duhon,

I agree with your stance against drilling in state parks, but that been going on for years at Nimisilla!

@RVOV
wow spoken like a man that you are.

"You had a choice to not spread open your legs. If you make the decision to have sex there are possible consequences."

First off men lie down with the woman as well yet what are your consequences? None, you can leave your pregnant girlfriend to fend for themselves and have no problem with it. Some women just can't mentally and finacially be able to take care of a child and with all of the absurd adoption laws we have in this country why bring another child into this world to suffer. I don't beleive abortion should be used as birth control but I do beleive it's a choice and when you find yourself in the doctors office waiting to make your CHOICE then you can talk, until then, men need to keep there mouths shut and allow women to make the decisions when it comes to their own bodies!!
Oh and don't use they should of abstaine or used birth control..we all know it's not 100% affective.

Ha Ha Ha There are always consenquences for both men and women. Men can be forced to pay child support. Every arguement any of you make in a pro choice statement never makes sense. If you don't want to have a baby then don't perform the act that can cause one. Abstanance works 100% of the time unless it's some sort of immaculate conception. No one ever has a good arguement as to how they are not murdering a baby, only that it's legal. If you are so hell bent on having an abortion then just admit you are killing or murdering a baby. It's not a fetus, it's a living being. The arguement that it can;t survive on it's own is as lame as it gets. No infant could fend for itself outside the body either.

@tycat-maybe the men that you have been with are like that. Any respectable guy out there would have a problem with leaving the woman to fend for themselves. Are you a guy? I don't think so, so don't act like you know what every guy is thinking, and keep your skewed opinions to yourself.

"If you don't want to have a baby then don't perform the act that can cause one."


Make sure you tell your wife that.

First off child support is joke and we all know that hence the term "dead beat dad", the men that do help support I give them all the respect they deserve. I was not putting all men in the same catagory and you men need not put all the woman that have abortions in the same catagory. Women make choice because of the enviroment they are in, how the ended up pregnant, rape, etc..
I simple think it's a joke to have men tell women what they can and can't do with there body
and It's my opinion, it may be as skewed as DDs18 say's but it's still what I think.

@Raymond J. Adamek - Lord please save us from the right to life folks.

I think too many here aren't old enough to remember that bad old days of backroom abortions that killed or cripled young women. For iff'n abortion is ever outlawed again, that's what we'll have again.

But I would agree, that abstinence is the cure-all for the problem. The problem with that is, that in todays' society, abstinence isn't in anyones vocabulary.

Anyone here familiar with a birth control device called an IUD? Anyone.....guys? NO?
Here's how it worked: It was made of copper and inserted into the woman's cervix, preventing the fertilized egg from attaching itself to the uterine wall, rendering it dead tissue. The fertilized egg tissue was then expelled during the monthly menstrual cycle. The IUD did NOT prevent the egg from being fertilized. The IUD lasted seven years. They were used for women who could not tolerate the drastic hormonal changes our bodies go through when taking the pill.

Are you men then saying that every time that device was effective, we women are guilty of murdering our children?

How about all the pro life people stand in line and adopt the unwanted children. Unfortunately in America there are plenty. So each time a pro-lifer scares the he!! out of a woman at a clinic they get to adopt the kid..any takers pro-lifers? Of course not, you only want to stop these women not actually help them in their situation....huh

@ tycat. Calling RVOR a man is granting him human status. Not sure he qualifies. What we do know is that he (it) is a misogynist of the first order, so his opinion has less to do with "killing babies" and all to do with removing rights from women.

I was nearly assaulted by pro-lifers when I went to get tested at Planned Parenthood. I'm also a man.

It's pretty easy to duck child support. Don't keep money in the bank, most employers will pay you under the table if you offer to work for under normal wages. You can put your home and car in relatives' names, etc.

WOW. I am sorry I could only read the first sentence of the article. Speaking of things that just arent worth doing.

The War in Iraq and Afghanistan are so expensive. There is no economic crisis. The most utterly fruitless investment this country is making is these pointless wars.

Why are they bombing people and tourturing people in other countries....want to end the GREAT ECONOMIC RECESSION OF THIS GENERATION. Stop the wars.

@dds18 said:"maybe the men that you have been with are like that. Any respectable guy out there would have a problem with leaving the woman to fend for themselves. Are you a guy? I don't think so, so don't act like you know what every guy is thinking, and keep your skewed opinions to yourself."

I'm a man - 100% American bred and corn-fed.

Men, in general, are lower life forms until they are about 35.

There are a few of us who don't fit that mold, but we are exceptions, not the rule.

I'm glad you are an exception - but if you be honest with yourself, you'll know 10 guys who aren't for every one like you/us.

And be honest......

@Real Voice of treason:

I would have laughed had I wrote your last post, too.

It is a total joke and so intellectually dishonest that even I'm surprised.

A new low.

Tycat...to abstain is pretty much 100% effective. You must have meant the birth control??

@ Romain, Go cry somewhere else. The airport has been there a long time. Probably before your new housing was built. Next time buy a home next to the x-way so you can cry about the noise.

Year after year I watch tiny white crosses erupt on the front lawn of a Fairlawn church. The crosses, placed by the children of the grade school, represent a percentage of abortions.
White crosses?
Why don't they stand up and be true to the faith and instead of using crosses, plant signs in the shape of a heart....to show how many of the "true faith" actually helped a woman through a pregnancy and into her motherhood.
That, to me, is a more proactive and loving approach.
Also, I had a friend who lost her insurance due to a job cut. Her 21 year old college daughter went to Planned Parenthood instead of the more costly family doctor. The daughter wanted to know if she could be prescribed birth control pills at a lower cost. Nope. The cost was as much as it would have been on the old insurance plan. No problem. The girl, who is single and living at home for the summer, can provide the money to pay for the prescription. However, I wonder how other women, who do not have the luxury of living in a parental home, pay the full amount of the prescription?
It would seem that a lower cost for the birth control pill would be a desirable deterrent to "unwanted" pregnancy. So why the high cost???

Oh, and "Voice of Cretin"
How nice to read of all the good works you are doing to assist others in need. Your positive and refreshing commentary is so helpful.
(This is sarcasm, in case you didn't notice)
Whatever your personal view is of the doctor, he was MURDERED. You are a hypocrite. Period.

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Colin Powell ??

Colin Powell the republican?
Colin Powell the democrat?
Colin Powell vote-for-the-black-guy-cause-he's-black?
Colin Powell the opportunist?

Powell is just a younger Arlen Specter.

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Bevian, the painful answer to your question is "yes". But I'm not a man, so I guess that doesn't count.

real voice of reason

Posted 12:25 PM, 07/02/2009 Dr. George Tiller was a murderer and got exactly what he deserved.

Are these the law abiding pro-lifers the letter writer wrote about who "Pro-lifers seek to protect human life by legal and peaceful means,"??

Clear and present airport danger

Like somebody else said, you shouldn't have moved there if you didn't like it. The airport was there before most of the other stuff, which you admit in your statement below "that now enclose the airport".

Sadly, it will probably take an airplane crashing into one of the nearby schools, or many housing and retail areas that now enclose the airport, to get meaningful action.

@ NTU1

"Men, in general, are lower life forms until they are about 35.

There are a few of us who don't fit that mold, but we are exceptions, not the rule."

Oh come on, there are more of us than you think :)

On the topic of abortion, abstinence and birth control methods: I do not believe that abortion is a legitimate "choice" of birth control. I am not a woman, so I will never have to make that decision, which means I do not think my voice carries as much weight. There are very few cases that I support abortion, and I fully support sex education programs that teach abstinence and contraceptives as a complimentary program.

If abortion can be avoided (and condoms say that over 98% of the time they can be) it should be. As much as you women have a choice to have an abortion, you should make the wiser choice to insist on a condom before non-committed sexual intercourse. It is cheaper, better for your mental health, and really does a good job of preventing not only pregnancies, but also most STDs.

Have a good holiday folks.

Oh and to add, I think that the extreme fundamentalist that murdered Dr. Tiller is facing judgement as a murderer before the Allmighty.

Playing god is not the same as rendering a righteous and Godly judgement. It is wrong to murder (profound I know).

@ doo. You mean the Alan West that just barely escaped being charged for various crimes under military law that would have seen him serving 11 years in Leavenworth, if he hadn't cut a deal and resigned? Or do you mean the professional opportunist politician Alan West who can't even win a congressional primary in a repub district. Is that the Alan West you're so excited about? Figures.

@jschnell106:

Spoken like a true politician - parsed and hair-split.

You can't ride a fence on a topic like this without stretching your .......

Super Roofer,

What's your opinion of George Bush the dummber?

@ rude roofer. You forgot Four, — the likelihood of you remaining a single father — 100%. Bon chance.

NTU1

You want me to spell out exactly where I stand? I oppose abortion in all manners except for incest, rape, and if more than one professional opinion says the mother is in danger of losing her life. I believe it is a last resort. I also know that to overturn RvW would be extremely dangerous to women, and will only serve the purpose of the self-righteous right (who, by the way, would watch televised executions if they existed). There was a Republican-controlled Congress, White House and Court, and they never brought it up. That is all anybody needs to know about "conservative" politicians and their right to life issues.

I am, above all, a pragamatic guy. Abstinence only doesn't work (well it works, but isn't practical), but we can't just tell kids (who will be adults soon) that having sex outside of a committed relationship is great as long as you use protection. Both options need to be taught equally as a compliment to one another.

If you want to know anything else about where I stand on this topic, fire away.

Republicans will never outlaw abortion. They'd lose too many votes. Millions of pro-life voters only go to the polls for one reason.