Dear Leader Obama rebuked at the polls!

Virginia - Repubs CRUSH DEMS up and down the ballot. Almost a 30% swing from Obama's win in 2008.

New Jersey - how can a Republican win there. We did and it was a huge turnaround from 2008.

Independents flocked to Republican candidates because they do not like the Obama, Pelosi and Reid plans for the country.

Spirit of Reagan you took the words right out of my mouth. I told you so. you can only trash, insult, kick, take from, those in society for so long.
We are back and with a vegence. this is only the beginning. Next is 2010 and then 2012. start packing Obama and Mrs President, time to start firing your overpaid assistants. nice try ABJ. seems no one is listening to you anymore.

@Spitwad/Watching in Summit County Kooks:

Since this "off year" election is such an important indicator to you two "Party" sycophants, I'm surprised that neither of you bothered to mention this:

"ALBANY, N.Y. – President Barack Obama's decision in June to appoint a Republican congressman to a Pentagon post has paid dividends in November now that Democrats have gained the House seat by capitalizing on a split between moderates and conservatives in the GOP.

The GOP had represented the region for more than a century. Republican John McHugh vacated the seat to become Army secretary."

Virginia, since the 70's, has always elected a governor from the opposite party that controlled the White House. And with no incumbent in the race either, that was even more than expected.

New Jersey made a "all politics is local" statement.

Spitwad, how about providing statistics to support your contention that "independents flocked to Republican Candidates."

Witching, you're absolutely correct by saying that "you can only trash, insult, kick, take from, those in society for so long." And that's exactly why your "Party" received a severe backlash from voters in 2008, rebuking 8 years of the worst President in the history of the United States.

Keep dreaming, Kooks, and check out all polling with regard to voter party identification. Your "Party" has been trending downward for over four years now.

Get back to me after the mid-term in 2010, that will be the real indicator as to which way the country wants to proceed. Not three races in an off year election.

One year is a long time in politics. Especially after meaningful healthcare reform is passed, the economy is rebounding, Gitmo is closed, and we've withdrawn from Iraq.

You two Kooks are pitiful on here, clinging to whatever remnants of your "Party" that remain. But you are good for a laugh.

SLAM!!!!! ....with a right wing hand!!!

Our birth certificateless Kenyan Street organizer just lost airspeed and altitude and is dangerously close to a full left wing stall.

@2BQ, you're just six minutes late with your chest-thumping, since the Pope already "owned" Spirit on this issue (to use the vernacular of the kids these days).

@2BQ:

Another Kook grasping at straws, are we? I hope your "Party" runs on what you posted in 2010.

Give me some substance, Kook, not just "No".

@Lynette Brown, you had me until "beer summit."

@Ash Chawla:

Interesting view from a first generation immigrant. I can't argue at all with your observations.

@Ash Chawla, I'm not sure it's fair to pick on younger people. My scientific wild-asked guess would be that entitlement mentality is more prominent among baby boomers, and that it wanes with each successive (younger)generation. And wrong though the entitlement mindset may be, compassionate humanity requires social welfare - wouldn't Gandhi agree?

@Ron Gould:

"Medicare and the VA are government-run, single-payer systems, and they work darn well..."

If you define working darn well as having trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities that are bankrupting the country, then I guess they work darn well.

This attitude is like the typical teen-ager: "I want XYZ and I don't care how Mom and Dad are going to pay for it."

Time to grow up. A Public Option can't be paid for with good intentions. We've proven that with Medicare.

@Kooks:

"California Lt. Gov. John Garamendi, a Democrat, won a special election to a vacant congressional seat, and Ohio voters approved casinos."

All is well, Kooks. All is well.

@Minna:

You're way too profound, way too early this morning. Enough of the small talk.

You and I have more important things to discuss.

@Bud Wiser

"How dare you wear a robe to preside
How dare you cover your head to hide
Your face from God
How dare you smile from behind your beard
To hide the fact your heart's afeared,
And wave your rod
How dare you be the one to assess
Me, in this God-forsaken mess
You, a man, in a purple dress
A man in a purple dress

You are all the same
Gilded and absurd
Regal, fast to blame
Rulers by lost word
Men above men, or prats
With your high hats
You priest, you mullah so high
You pope, you wise rabbi
You're invisible to me
Like vapour from the sea

How dare you? Do you think I'll quietly go?
You are much braver than you know
For I can't die
Your staff, your stick, your special cap
They'll protect in H*ll? What cr*p!
Believe the lie
How dare you be the one to as*ess
Me, in this God-forsaken mess
You, a man, in a purple dress
A man in a purple dress

When you place your frown
Between my God and prayer
However grand your crown
Or dignified your hair
Men above men, or prats
In your high hats
You priest, you mullah so high
You pope, you wise rabbi
You are invisible to me
Like vapour from the sea

I lovingly mock you noble lords
We all dress up to grant awards
I do that as well
I dare condemn your fashion sense
At least you're not astride a fence
That would not sell
But I will deliver this address
Your soul's condition don't impress
You, a man, in a purple dress
A man in a purple dress"

Let's see, Dems pick up two seats in the House. The Palin/Beck approved true conservative loses a solid red-district. A Republican governor wins in a pretty solid red state. Reagan and Bud call it a win.

I knew the disconnect from reality was there, just didn't realize it was so profound.

Spin, Spin, Spin

@Kooks:

"What’s more, there is an argument that these off-year elections may not have produced an ideological or partisan verdict so much as revealed a deeply aggrieved electorate—ready to rough up incumbents of all varieties.

It is true enough that both Democratic candidates had severe limitations—Deeds was a notably unprepossessing candidate compared to the polished McDonnell, and Corzine was deeply unpopular and at the helm of a state suffering through difficult economic times. Neither race should be viewed as strictly a referendum on Obama. But if there is a danger in over-interpreting off-year elections."

"Independents flocked to Republican candidates because they do not like the Obama, Pelosi and Reid plans for the country."

As a moderate Republican it would be encouraging if this were so. That said, the evidence seems to suggest otherwise.

In both the Virginia and New Jersey Governor races, the Democrats has extremely unappealing candidates who ran largely negative campaigns. Their Republican counterparts ran successful campaigns with a decidedly fiscal focus.

Contrast that with the special Congressional election in New York. In that race, the right-wing of the party decided the moderate Republican candidate was not sufficiently conservative. They chose instead to back a 'true' conservative - with national endorsements and support from Palin, Thompson, Armey and others. In a district that Republicans have won for over the past 100 years (the last Democrat elected was a Whig!), in a district in which Palin provided support, the conservative Republican lost.

When Republicans are viewed as more fiscally sound than Democrats, they unite the independent and moderate voters and win. When Republicans are viewed as socially regressive, they repel the independent and moderate voters and lose.

@ed:

We're still in power. Spin that.

Well, hopefully the new GOPs can fix all that ails our wonderful country?? We'll see I guess.

@ Minna Wade - The correct vernacular of today's youts is "pwned". Hacker/gamer term used in place of owned. I don't disagree with your assessment, just helping you stay hip:)

hey pope,not for long. not for long.

Pope - just last year Dems were claiming Virginia was no longer a Red state but was now a solid BLUE state and an indication that the Repubs were irrelevant.

Now the Repub Gov, Lt Gov and Atty General candidates paste a 20 pt victory in each of their races.

20 points.

To top it off, we win New Jersey. Your Boy Obama campaigned there all weekend. He won by a huge margin over McCain and the total voter shift was about a 20 point swing.

To say this doesn't signal a change in the voter's minds is to really be spinning it.

NJ Exit Poll:

Independents are always sought after in NJ – they made up more than one-quarter of the voters. On Tuesday they sided strongly with Christie, 60 percent to 30 percent for Corzine.

Maine Voters Reject Gay Marriage Law

Maine voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed.

Gay Marriage ALWAYS loses when voted on by the people.

@ Spirit - The Browns scored an offensive touchdown last week. That means they are Super Bowl bound (at least according to right-wing logic).

"Gay Marriage ALWAYS loses when voted on by the people."

The same way that inter-racial marriage and racial integration always lost when voted on by people.

It is sadly more an indictment of the people than of the issue...

With regard to NY 23, it was disappointing.

The winners got 49% while the Repub and Conservative candidates combined for 51%. This is similar to the Bill Clinton type of victory when Republicans were divided between Bush and Perot.

What amazes me is that Christie won in NJ despite a 3rd Party candidate that took some of his vote. So the victory would have been even more decisive had not the 3rd party candidate been on the ballot.

Plus Obama - who was the best President Elect ever campaigned mightily. He laid it on the line for Corzine. It must be disappointing for him coming after the crushing defeat of his Chicago Olympic effort.

Thank you to Charles Clark for your letter reminding all of us to be thankful to our veterans on Veterans Day next week. Amen to that!

To change topics, I read that Dear Leader Obama met 23 times in the White House with the head of the SEIU union. If you recall, the SEIU had the thugs that were roughing up people at the townhalls. They even beat down a black man selling things outside a meeting (where is Holder when there really is a hate crime). So these are his "quasi-brown shirts".

Anyway, thought is was interesting he could meet 23 times with this guy but ONLY TWICE with the lead commander in Afghanistan.

Priorities, priorities ...

"The winners got 49% while the Repub and Conservative candidates combined for 51%. This is similar to the Bill Clinton type of victory when Republicans were divided between Bush and Perot."

Umm, no - not like Clinton/Bush/Perot in the slightest.

In this case, the Republican candidate officially dropped out of the election and endorsed the Democrat. In a district the Republicans won for the past 100 years where national Republicans campaigned strongly, a Democrat won (adding to the Democratic majority in the House).

In both special Congressional elections yesterday, the Democrats won.

"With regard to NY 23, it was disappointing. "

What was disappointing was the level of venom directed by Republicans at the Republican candidate because she was viewed as insufficiently conservative.

Reagan on the Titanic. "Lifeboat??? But the music is so good."

@ FYI - And don't forget the massive push from Palin and Fred Thompson. Palin still equals fail.

Lynette Brown,

Yeah, right. If they had a beer summit, Phil and Paul would just try to entrap DP. It would be like in college with meatheads trying to spike drinks.

Ronald Gould,

Why do I think you post here?

Bud,

"Could it be that these highly paid professional money managers are now seeking a scapegoat because they want to dodge responsibility for being feckless and lazy?"

Yes

You should research how Dear Leader Obama got his State Senate seat in Illinois. He went after the incumbent with all kinds of dirty tricks and got her disqualified.

Also see Joe Lieberman and the ideoligical test the Dems put on him that forced him to run as an independent. He was your VP candidate at one time.

When Bush spanked Gore.

yes, the boomers are responsible for the 'entitlement mentality" of the young today... only because they gave their children too much without making them earn it. this was done to give their children more than what they had. check history... boomers are responsible for most of the technology you enjoy today. boomers cared enough about insidious wars by protesting... an proven fact the ended the politician generated Vietnam conflict. do you hear of any protest now?? do any go generation x even know the history of any wars or conficts that the brave people of this country gave their lives for to ensure rights of protest? i see know younger people give any respect to Veterans or memorial services to remember these people. no, you are all busy playing "games" or tweetering inconsequential trivia. again... a result of a boomers invention.

Ash Chawla,

Don't worry, many of us born here still see it, but your point is noted. I think it's a confluence of degrading Liberalist policies and pushover parents who've raised an entire generation of narcissistic kids who couldn't think or work their way out of a paper bag.

FYI - but the voting was split. If this had happened to a Dem their lawyers would say the 6% that voted for the drop out candidate were disenfranchised and we need to count their votes as Dem votes. Then ACORN recounters would descend on the precincts to do their usual handy work.

FYI - spin it how you want. I will tell you what I used to tell opponents when I played football.

"Look at the scoreboard."

koodykoo,

I don't think this is a Gen X phenomenon, but maybe I'm biased. Gen X....those that are in their 30s and 40s. I was thinking the Millenials. Most of us are too cynical to be distracted with "tweetering."

Regarding Boomers, they're also the biggest welfare generation we've possibly ever seen. They reap (or will reap) more in government benefits than they've contributed over their lifetime. Gen Xers are just charged with cleaning up the titanic entitlement noose left by the Boomers while getting no help from the Neo-Neanderthalic Millenials. No sweat.

Breaking news - 24% of Virginia's registered voters voted for McDonnell. This equates to a massive uprising against the Obama admin.

STIMULUS WATCH: Salary raise counted as "saved" job

President Barack Obama's economic recovery program saved 935 jobs at the Southwest Georgia Community Action Council, an impressive success story for the stimulus plan. Trouble is, only 508 people work there.

The Georgia nonprofit's inflated job count is among persisting errors in the government's latest effort to measure the effect of the $787 billion stimulus plan despite White House promises last week that the new data would undergo an "extensive review" to root out errors discovered in an earlier report.

About two-thirds of the 14,506 jobs claimed to be saved under one federal office, the Administration for Children and Families at Health and Human Services, actually weren't saved at all, according to a review of the latest data by The Associated Press. Instead, that figure includes more than 9,300 existing employees in hundreds of local agencies who received pay raises and benefits and whose jobs weren't saved.

That type of accounting was found in an earlier AP review of stimulus jobs, which the Obama administration said was misleading because most of the government's job-counting errors were being fixed in the new data.

The administration now acknowledges overcounting in the new numbers for the HHS program. Elizabeth Oxhorn, a spokeswoman for the White House recovery office, said the Obama administration was reviewing the Head Start data "to determine how and if it will be counted."

But officials defended the practice of counting raises as saved jobs.

"If I give you a raise, it is going to save a portion of your job," HHS spokesman Luis Rosero said

Are Obama and his team really this STUPID.

"If I give you a raise, it is going to save a portion of your job," HHS spokesman Luis Rosero said

Dear Spirit: My..my.....aren't we all flushed with excitment this morning. Good luck winning a national election.......your sinking Party stands at 20% approval. My biggest wet dream is Palin 2012. Please....please.....please......

So Pope and FYI - do you consider taking taxpayer money and giving it to someone to give their people a raise a "job saved", I am curious to hear your input on this one.

@ Truth - That is his biggest wet dream, too, although literally. Was she winking at him? You betcha.

Dear Spit Wad: Am I going to have to drive over to CVS and get your anti-crazee script re-filled agian??? Dude....you need help.

Lynette, hope the Mayor doesn't hit you when he is driving drunk... oh yeah the cops will let him off anyway.

Pam- Great letter

"Look at the scoreboard."

Yes - that is my point. The Republicans had a net increase on Governors ( 2) and a net decrease on Representatives (-1). We won a Governor in a strongly Democratic state and lost a Representative in a strongly Republican district.

It's like the Browns coming out of Buffalo - it's not the time to be dumping the Gatorade over the coach's head to celebrate anything.

As an individual who has voted Republican over 90% of the time the past 25 years and has contributed financially to the Republican Party, I'm simply saying that I found little yesterday to celebrate.

Obama has three more years to go and he has a lot of irons in the fire and he is strategically being slow at getting things done until right before the 2012 election when his work, during the first four years, will be fresh in people's minds.

That, my dear friends, is called politics.

New Jersey constituents were quoted as saying they are tired of the corruption running their state.

*crickets*

This guy's face has corruption written all over it. Was he drooling grease at the victory party?

@Bud Wiser cracked:"If you define working darn well as having trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities that are bankrupting the country, then I guess they work darn well."

Versus trillions of dollars given to insurance companies that has an instant 25% taken off the top before one dollar is spent.

And they will still bankrupt the country, in spite of it all.

When do you figure you'll quit being able to afford healthcare?

You choose, I guess.

A Note to All The Good Party Members:

You are the benefactor of a continuing "tradition" in Virginia. This is the 9th election cycle (stretching back to 1977) where Virginians made sure the Governor wasn't a member of the President's party.

That is one that only you could have lost.

In New Jersey, the Governor was a crud. Congratulations for defeating a true hack. You and he both deserve it.

Now, though, you'll have to put up something other than low taxes and freedom. Let's see how the new jobs grow, etc., as a litmus test of your positions.

And even a bigger congratulations for losing in New York 23. For the first time since about the end of The Civil War, the district won't be represented by a Republican.

You dithered and lost.

So, in an off election year, when few cared to vote, you won a bit.

Let's see how it goes from here. I'll bet not far.

New Flash from ABC (All Barack Channel)

Senior Congressional Democrats say reform before end of year is highly unlikely. Senior Congressional Democrats told ABC News today it is highly unlikely that a health care reform bill will be completed this year, just a week after President Barack Obama declared he was "absolutely confident" he'll be able to sign one by then.

"Getting this done by the by the end of the year is a no-go," a senior Democratic leadership aide told ABC News. Two other key Congressional Democrats also told ABC News the same thing.

This may come as an unwelcome surprise for the White House, where officials from the president on down have repeatedly said the health care bill would be signed into law by the end of the year.

"I am absolutely confident that we are going to get health care done by the end of this year, and Nancy Pelosi is just as confident," Obama said Oct. 27 at a fundraiser for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

Pope, Khen, FYI - I don't understand the delay to healthcare reform given your claim of the wildly successful election for Democrats.

It support for them is surging, why delay? Hmmm...

Harry Reid needs to get some re-bar for his spine.

And The Party needs to remember why they are the minority ...

@ Spirit - I am pretty sure the governors in VA and NJ don't vote in Congress. Congress passes laws. I may not have all the facts on that, though.

The two elected reps won't be seated for a while. And although they will serve in Congress, I am not sure their votes can be used to stop Vinegar Joe Leiberman's filibuster threat.

@Spitwad sputtered:

"FYI - spin it how you want. I will tell you what I used to tell opponents when I played football.

"Look at the scoreboard."

Okay, let's look at the "scoreboard".

2006 Mid-term election: Republican's trounced.

2008 National election: Republican's trounced.

2009 Off-year election: Republican's "score" in pre-season game.

SCOREBOARD: Democrats- Control Executive Branch
Democrats- Control Legislative Branches (Gain 1 House Seat)

Republicans- Party divided by regressive wing conservatives

Second Quarter Score:

FOOTBALL
TRANSLATION: Democrats - 45
GOP - 10

So much for your football analogy.

@Daniel E. Barden:

Foil fedoras, aisle 5 on the right ...

@ Not The Usual - Agree completely. This attempt at bi-partisanship is going to kill the Dems. They need to pull a Tom Delay. Erase a couple of zeroes from the financial estimates and hold a vote in the middle of the night. That worked for the GOP for that socialistic Medicare bill.

I voted for Change and I would prefer that the Dems just shut the door on any GOP stall tactics.

The 23% can just watch FoxNews and Sarah Palin speeches with the hand lotion and tissues next to the couch. Let the grownups get to work governing.

Let's not forget, for Congress (NY-23)--"Conservative" party candidate Doug Hoffman, supported by Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and others, defeated by Democrat Bill Owens. All politics is local and the Dems had subpar candidates in NJ & VA. Exit polls in NJ & Va showed support for Obama still in the 50's.

@Khen mused:"I am not sure their votes can be used to stop Vinegar Joe Leiberman's filibuster threat."

Watch and see what happens. Joe is in this for Joe. He's just playing the field to see who's being nice to him.

He'll waffle and sputter, but I don't think he has the stones to be a road block.

Polls of his electorate sure don't support it.

@Khen:

Well put.

It's kind of weird, though, thinking about RushAndGlenn in the same context as hand lotion and tissues.

With their M-16's by their sides, keeping watch over the trailer park.

The visuals are a tad disturbing - lol ...

@nottheusual1 - And can't forget the Oxy/Viagra filled tours to the Dominican to meet nice young ladyboys.

Spirit of Reagan:

"why delay?"

So the reading comprehension challenged GOP can have a chance to review it?

News Flash from FOX (Foil Observations Xcite)

"Yesterday's gains prove to the country that the Republican Party is alive and well just like when former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist diagnosed Teri Schiavo as alive and well.

The "Party" looks alert, vibrant, and engaging from the outside even though the brain is in the throws of two factions vying for control of the body. One side "wants THEIR country back" and organizes "Tea Parties" where participants brandish guns, show up at Town Hall Meetings with premeditated uncivil agendas, shouting down others in their "Primal" moment, while the other "moderate" side clings to traditional "Party" values, devoid of the Far-Right Religious ideology that's marginalized the "Party."

A "Party" united will stand, a "Party" divided will fall. Lincoln would agree with my paraphrasing, I do believe.

And that, my Kooks, is what your "Party" has become. Now run along with the little bone that was thrown your way yesterday. And make sure you bury it for another day.

You'll need it.

@nmaxxs:

ROFLMAO!!

Have you read Great Leader Bow-Ner's bill?

What a hoot. Start here for a highlight, and their is a link to the bill. BUt, remember, it's still a "work in progress". Har-har-har:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/03/gop-plan-state-regs/

Most awkward meeting of the year:

Mark Foley, Rush Limbaugh, and Sarah Palin all show up at the newsstand at the same time to buy a copy of the Playgirl with Levi Johnston.

@NTU1 - That is some scary stuff coming from them. Best make sure there are no consumer protection laws in place. That is what makes America free!!!

@rayygunned down Spirit of Raygun:

"Exit polls in NJ & Va showed support for Obama still in the 50's."

When you cite core facts you fire live bullets. When you don't you fire blanks.

Lynette Brown, Forget the beer summit, these people need to sit down and smoke some weed.

@Pope:

So the first battle of The Party versus The Foilandians is a tie.

They both lost.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!

@NTU1 noted:

"Watch and see what happens. Joe is in this for Joe. He's just playing the field to see who's being nice to him."

"Where have you gone Joe Lieberman, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you...woo woo woo......??

What's that you say, Mrs.Watching, jilted Joe has left and gone away....no filibuster today...."

@NTU1: ROTFLMAO.......

Sorry for the lowbrow jabs. Getting frustrated debated the foils. Example below:

Reagan - Ronald Reagan, the greatest president ever, created the moon.

Khen - Reagan, although I don't know know who created the moon, I am pretty sure it was here long before Reagan was born. Do you have any facts to support this claim?

Reagan - Acorn thugs killed 30 unborn babies in NJ this weekend. What do you think about your hope and change now liberals?

Khen - That is rather disturbing. Do you have any proof of that happening?

Reagan - The moon is made of cheese.

Khen - Here are several links to universities, national observatories, and research institutions all claiming the moon is really old and not made of cheese.

Reagan - Obama was really good friends with Al Capone. What do you think of that, liberals.

Khen - Do you have any proof that Reagan invented the cheese moon? I am pretty sure that Al Capone was dead long before Obama was born and although they are both Chicagoans, I don't think they knew each other.

Reagan - Ronald Reagan invented the moon. He is therefore the greatest president ever.

@Khen:

Reagan - After HE invented the moon, HE was personally responsible for bringing down the Berlin Wall.

More fun at the newsstand: Once Palin, Limbaugh, and Foley see each other they quickly attempt to hide their purchases.

Rush grabs a copy of National Review to cover up the offending cover. Drops his Oxy prescriptions and runs away.

Sarah quickly grabs a copy of Weekly World News, People, and US and mutters something about keeping up with current events.

Mark Foley quickly copies some e-mail addresses from the back of Boys Life and Highlights and then grabs a copy of the National Review.

@Khen:

Do you think Ms. Palin has somebody read to her?

I do. That way they can skip over the fifty-cent words like "responsibility" and "credibility".

Quoting Doug Hoffman, the first Foilandian to openly run for public office:

"I urge that no one feel defeated, for this was only one of many elections. We came close, we put our agenda in front of the nation and the nation took notice."

Maybe GlennAndRush did. And Sarah "The Quitter" Palin, too.

But the voters sure didn't ...

(snicker)

Lynette I'm so glad you think the Mayor of Akron is all that....The only the Mayor does is try to intimadate people

The Regressives seem to be busy doing something else besides imparting their witty musings upon us.

It must be "Flip Your Rock Day" in Foilandia.

Wait - I see via my network activity monitor that they must be getting a big download from The Party Secret AM Radio Thingy Directorate.

Sure we'll see a winner or two later ...

Hey all:

Did anybody hear that The Party Elected Official Joe "You Lie" Wilson's wife has H1N1?

Even after he voted against additional funding for increased vaccine production.

And blames the administration, and Barack Obama, for the problems getting enough vaccine out to the public.

Irony?

Maybe he was busy on more important things like yesterday:"Congressman Wilson will walk with the escort committee for German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s address to a Joint Session of Congress."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!

@nottheusual1 - Not surprising. Typical party approach. Cut off funding for government programs. Watch them fail, then scream that government doesn't work and use the failure of the thing they defunded as proof.

Thank you City of Green voters for passing the renewal levy. There is still a budget short-fall, so we'll see how Superintendent Nutter and the Board resolve it. The City of Green received $250,000 from the stimilus and can use it however they like. Mayor Norton wants to use that money to build a Veteran's Memorial in Green. I am in favor of honoring and supporting our Veterans, but Mayor Norton may have a hidden agenda with wanting this Memorial now. Mayor Norton will not make any decisions that are considered controversial because it would hurt his chances for re-election and all of his decisions are based on getting himself re-elected. The City of Green has the $250,000 stimulus money now and the Green Local School District needs that $250,000 NOW. Mayor Norton could organize a Veterans Memorial committee and that committee would be responsible for raising the funds necessary to build a Veteran's Memorial. Mayor Norton wants to take credit for actually doing something before the next Mayor's election. It is mind baffling that Mayor Norton (along with the City of Green Administration) is fully aware that Green Schools NEEDS that $250,000 and isn't giving it up to the schools. This clearly shows his hidden agenda and his lack of supporting Green Local Schools. Mayor Norton's term is up in 2012, you can see his profile needs something added to the year 2010 www.cityofgreen.org. Mayor Norton also hired Valerie Wolford, Communications Coordinator, to "handle" press releases and a newsletter for the City. Her press releases and newsletters have numerous grammar errors and misspelled names. Ms. Wolford has been paid over $80k so far for doing virtually nothing. Her duties were effectively handled previously by current staff and it didn't cost the City anything additional!
If you are as outraged with Mayor Norton's hidden agenda, please email him at mayor@cityofgreen.org or call him at 330-896-6601 and voice your outrage!

Oh, almost forgot:

A personal "thanks" for those like-minded folks that voted for the Tallmadge School levy.

We can at least continue to limp forward ...

Here is a link to videos of the Obama Brainwashed Children singing praises to Dear Leader.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/11/04/elementary-epidemic-11-uncovered-videos-show-school-children-performing-praises-to-obama/

OK DEMS keep telling yourself: Everything is just fine. Keep pushing the policies people hate. All politics is local. Everyone still loves Dear Leader.

Meanwhile the General waits for his troops ....

@SpitWad:

Wow - something right before The Party Leader For Life's radio show starts.

Don't miss a word, and don't forget your The PArty Secret Decoder Ring so you'll get the real message.

BTW - that video is such old news. Why don't you find us a link to the one of the Bushian Stepford Children praising The Incurious One for all his oil drilling and war mongering?

You know - the one with Laura standing in the middle looking embarrassed ...

Uh oh, Carly Fiorina declared her senate candidacy. Time to dust off the Misogynism 101 handbooks again.

@T_O_J:

Why? She's a business failure and a documented liar.

And in CA nobody cares what's between your legs, and all of their senior Congresspeople are female, anyway.

She'll fail of her own volition.

Just watch ...

Mushroom,
Repeat after me-- Profit is GOOD and TAXES are bad.
When insurance companies earn a profit they issue a dividend and your 401K grows.

You can be cured from the brainwashing of your past. Hope and Change!

@ Spirit - It really is refreshing how you continually post the same factoid/links on a daily basis. Maybe someone will finally pay attention.

The great leader obama was elected because of racism. He had NO other qualifications for the office and is proving it everyday. If he were all white he could not have been nominated.

NTU1,

Sure they care. See Prop 8.

You don't ascend to the top spot at HP through failure. Her time as CEO was controversial, to say the least, but she made some (some not) good decisions. Ultimately, her biggest failure was not playing organizational politics (the same quality that got her there in the first place). Oh, and fighting so hard to acquire Compaq.

Sure, she'll probably lose, but it's interesting to see a big name enter the race on the GOP side.

FYI:

The real reason the real conservative lost in NY-23 is because of the dummies that run the Rep party choosing Dede S as their candidate. She was about as Republican as Nancy Pelosi. She dropped out because she had no chance of winning. Despite receiving 900K from the Rep Party, she drops out and throws her support to the Dem and remains on the ballot getting 5% of the vote, spoiling the race for Hoffman. If I were a donor to the Rep Party, I'd want my money back, wouldn't you? A bunch of clowns are running the Rep show up there.

The Dem Party is ready to attack it's own. Here is a note from the whackos at Move On and the party's lack of tolerance for conservative Democrats.

Big tent?
***************************************************
Move On email
Yesterday, we asked MoveOn members how much they'd contribute to a primary challenge against any Democratic senator who helps Republicans block an up-or-down vote on health care reform.

Together, we've pledged an astounding $2 million in less than 24 hours!

It's a clear sign of how angry progressives would be at any Democrat who helps filibuster reform.

The larger the war chest we can offer a potential challenger, the stronger the signal we'll send to conservative Democrats. So we're setting a huge new goal: $3 million in total pledges by the end of the week. That's plenty to launch a serious primary challenge.

How much can you pledge?
************************************************

Government is not yo mamma. Take care of yourself.

Chawla is right. We have raised a bunch of whiners that can't survive without a handout. They have had their precious egos stroked and believe they are special and deserve the best without earning it.

Sweet an extra 2% in my 401k. That will help with the bankruptcy I had to file because my health insurance won't cover my pre-existing condition.

@ Atlas - Very good points about race. That is why Alan Keyes always does so well when he runs.

After 8 years of the Bush White House and 6 years of a Republican Congress, the Dems could have nominated a souvenir snowglobe and it still would have won by 4 points.

Khen
Bankruptcy means you did not provide for a "rainy day" and stuck your creditors with the bill.
Now you want the taxpayers to carry you home and tuck you into bed nice and cozy.

"She was about as Republican as Nancy Pelosi."

No, she was a moderate - and in fact, was more conservative than the average Republican in New York. (Even Newt Gingrich supported her for goodness sake!)

The Northeast used to have many such moderate Republicans - typically well educated, pro-military, fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Unfortunately, the less educated, socially regressive elements in the Republican party have aggressively sought to remove these moderates - making the party smaller, more cohesive and less relevant to the political process.

I hope the Republican Party in NY is happy that they helped elect a Democrat. Maybe they were just trying to demonstrate bipartisanship?

Ugh.

Khen
They did nominate a souvenier snow globe. And he won with the help of taxpayer funded Acorn getting every illiterate to vote for the line with a "D" next to the name.

@ Atlas - Again, very good points. You are my hero.

@T_O_J:

I'm glad that their are more serious candidates appearing from the Republicans, too.

Carly rose to the top because of an image she projected that she couldn't quite live up to. Maybe her paranoia was unmanageable for the people who would be potential targets.

Until she started espousing "all things on the right", I was rather fond of her moxie, and thought eliminating Compaq as a competitor was prescient.

And prop 8 was about rights and marriage, not a referendum on sexuality like it was here in Ohio.

The election results from Maine were a travesty. I honestly hope we'll outgrow this stuff someday.

@Bud Wiser:

From RushAndGlenn's mouth to your ears and to your keyboard.

That was the last 1/2-hour of His Rushnesses show.

I thought I'd listen to see what all The Regressives would be throwing around this afternoon.

And thanks for proving my earlier post about The Party AM Radio Thingy Directorate download ...

FYI:

The NY-23 race ought to go in textbooks as the classic way to lose an election. Put up the quintessential Gingrich-type big-tent "Republican." Watch her poll numbers sink into the toilet until she drops out and then endorses the Democrat.

To call her a moderate Republican is laughable. She was way left of moderate.

Mushroom
Glad you are listening. There is hope for your change.

@SpitWad asked:"How much can you pledge?"

I kicked in 20 bucks.

What's your point?

At the grass-roots level, we've never shied away from beating our own. Especially the ones that are leasing out their votes, like Joe Whinerman of CT and all those supposedly conservative Dems that are financed by the special interests.

Thing of it as progressive whipping activities.

You could always try and explain why this is wrong.

@Atlas - If you believe race was the determining factor in Obama's win, then answer this. Why wouldn't the Republicans nominate a black candidate? Seems to me that if race guarantees the win, then you select a candidate based on that.

McCain wasn't good enough to beat Bush in 2000, going with him again seems a little silly on the part of the Republicans. You guys could have run Keyes, he is pretty conservative and black. Then you could have guaranteed a Republican in the White House.

I think Jessie Jackson won once because of his race.

Unusual one:

Wow, great minds think alike!

@Atlas:

Take a pill and chill before you blow a vein. All that hate will eat you up inside.

Funny how you are always willing to disparage those without voices but never seem to find wrong with those who can afford a voice.

Cosmic irony?

Oh, BTW - I agree that The Boomers have raised some really crappy kids.

Mushroom
Please educate your self and read the "Federalist Papers", The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Then you will knnow what is right no one will have to explain it to you.

I love this country as founded and do not want gimme progressives to twist it into their version of utopia.

@Atlas Struggling served:

"When insurance companies earn a profit they issue a dividend and your 401K grows."

You mean like the last 18 months? When that other entity in the corporation risked the insurance entities profits and lost?

Adjust that Foil Hat dial, if you can. I know there's multiple beamings today, what with the BIG WIN yesterday.

When those frequencies jam each other it gets real confusing.

More proof that Obama is a soshialist:

The Associated Press
© November 4, 2009

CHARLOTTE, N.C.

A North Carolina congressman dashing to catch a plane dumped his SUV at the end of a row of properly parked cars at Charlotte's airport.

The Gaston Gazette reports Wednesday that Republican Rep. Patrick McHenry parked his Ford Explorer straddling a curb in a parking lot at Charlotte-Douglas International Airport on Sunday.

The front tires were on the curb. The back tires were in the driving area of the parking lot, one resting atop a yellow speed bump.

McHenry spokesman Brock McCleary said the congressman was running late and couldn't find a parking spot. He says McHenry made a mistake by not parking properly, and the car has been moved.

McHenry is serving his third term in the U.S. House.

@Atlas Smugged:"Glad you are listening."

Yeah - I just had to hear him make excuses for why his carpetbagger candidate in NY23 tanked.

I even cruised Sarah "Half Term Quitter" Palin's Facebook page to see what her excuse would be.

Of course, His Rushness just finished blaming The Liberal Media.

And he gets $40mm a year for this tripe?

He's like listening in on a dominoes game in the paranoia ward at the state hospital.

Whew. No wonder His Faithful are so full of venom.

And I read somewhere and repeated it to myself for a week, so it has to be a fact, that Rush is personally responsible for a Sony adding the AM band back to all it's Walkman products.

Check out the history of over the last 50 yrs to see what happens in the stock market. It is under seige now because of the progressives who want the money to be confiscated by them.
I have not seen any return on my taxes that are redistributed to the :gimme" crowd.

I am amused that the progressives can't make the connection between the stock market and the fortunes of Al Gore, Michael Moore, and George Soros. Are they sharing their wealth with you? Have they set up funds with their money to help pay your health care costs? Where were they when you needed help, Khen? You had to declare bankruptcy.
What kind of philanthropy are they involved in besides paying to advance their agenda and using the progressives label to get it?

@ Atlas - I did not have to declare bankruptcy. I have decent health insurance and if I did have any pre-existing conditions, they would likely be covered by the VA.

You still didn't answer the question about why the Republicans wouldn't run a black candidate.

Mushroom
I am so sorry to hear you are in the pranoia ward, but now I understand your limitatiosn and inability to understand. Remember just because you are paranoid doesn't mean we are not out to get you.

They would run the best candidate not select someone according to color. That is racist.

@ Atlas - they obviously did not select the best candidate. McCain lost handily to Bush in the 2000 primaries. What makes you think that he would do well in 2008? Most Republicans really didn't like McCain. If McCain/Palin is the best ticket, not really sure what you would consider a bad ticket.

@Atlas Smugging:

You exemplify the problem with The Regressives' views of the left.

We don't hate people because they are successful. You guys do plenty of hating for everyone

We do, however, have some serious animosity for those that get successful by leaving footprints in the middle of millions of backs.

But you don't seem to. That's sadly indicative.

And deflecting on what was a true call-out on individual rights in my earlier post is even more so.

@Spitwad surmised:

"OK DEMS keep telling yourself: Everything is just fine. Keep pushing the policies people hate. All politics is local. Everyone still loves Dear Leader."

No, everything isn't fine. There are still too many Republican's occupying seats in the Legislative Branch.

Only you on this site suffer from "Dear Leader" syndrome. Or "Daddy Figure" syndrome:

"O' beautiful, for spacious skies
But now those skies are threatening
They're beating plowshares into swords
For this tired old man that we elected king
Armchair warriors often fail
And we've been poisoned by these fairy tales
The lawyers clean up all details
Since daddy had to lie"

Your envy runneth deep because Obama is the new "Great Communicator", and it eats at you. And to make matters worse, he's African-American.

You're still living in Ronnie World, a political time warp like the other hard core regressives that are sucking the life out of your "precious party".

Nobody is going to get "their country back". Each generation transforms the prior generation "As The World Turns".

Your "Party" had 8 years to prove its viability, relevence, and resliency. It controled the executive branch for 8 of those years and the leglislative for 6. It failed miserably as evidenced by two sound rubukes.

Now after 9 months you're gloating over some sort of perceived victory. And you attack a fledgling administration for not having already cleaned up an economic nightmare, closest to the great depression since the depression, after it took 8 years to create.

The wild eyed hate that you and other Tea Partiers exude, along with the failed baggage from Reagan past, will continue to cause you defeat.

Keep it up. I can't wait to see the big three slug it out in 2012: Romney, Huckabee, and Palin. With strong support from the real "Party" bosses: Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and Coulter.

"The NY-23 race ought to go in textbooks as the classic way to lose an election. Put up the quintessential Gingrich-type big-tent "Republican.""

So now a 'Gingrich-type' is too liberal to be a Republican candidate? Are you really listening to yourself on this?

On the liberal/conservative spectrum when compared to other elected Republicans in New York she was at the 58th percentile - that is, she was more conservative than 58% of the elected Republicans in her state. It's absolute hyperbole to suggest that record puts her akin to Pelosi.

After 25 years as a registered Republican who contributed financially and volunteered on multiple Republican campaigns, my wife decided last year to switch parties - as she put it, she simply couldn't stomach the 'ignorant wing' of the party any longer. She's still strongly pro-military (we met while working as DoD civilians), and she still agrees more with folks like Samuelson, Brooks and Will than with Krugman and Meyerson - but that is no longer enough.

As more people like her leave the party, the GOP becomes less a national party and more a regional, ideological movement. It may be fun to scream and have tea parties, but at the end of the day some of us actually became Republicans because we genuinely believed in creating a government that could provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.

@ Atlas - You really can't make a statement like "Obama won solely because of his race" without any facts to back that up.

If that were true, any black candidate would win and we would have had a Jesse Jackson presidency 20 years ago. We also would have had Alan Keyes winning the Republican primary.

Is critical thinking/logic dead on the right? Oh yeah.

@Atlas Smugging smugged:"I love this country as founded and do not want gimme progressives to twist it into their version of utopia."

Yeah - we need to go back to killing Indians and slavery and the servitude of women. Especially that voting thing.

And you shouldn't vote if you don't own property, anyway.

Lest we forget, how we miss victimizing Catholics and Jews and "Orientals". And women!!!!!!

Yeah. We need to go back to those merry old times.

Gosh - I could have just bought my wife outright!!

Intellectual presbyopia ...

You Progressives do not believe in individual rights. You believe in the collective and see people as part of groups like black, gay, poor, latino, union etc.


Yes I agree obama is a great communicator but I can hear his doublespeak. He carefully says what he thinks you want to hear not necessarily the truth. He can say something and in the same sentence negate what he just said.
He never mentioned he was a Marxist and misled many who are angry that he practiced "bait and switch".

I still maintain Obama could not get elected if he were white.

No beer summit needed -- JUST GROW UP ALL OF YOU.


FYI Columbia MD -- as your wife leaves, I will be taking her place; my heart left the Dems long ago, I guess it's time to put it on paper.

@Atlas Smugging smugged:"You Progressives do not believe in individual rights. You believe in the collective and see people as part of groups like black, gay, poor, latino, union etc."

Do you mean like investors, stock holders, bond holders, multi-nationals, senior management, political operatives, special interest groups, chamber's of commerce, professional associations and corporations?

And just which of Your individual rights do we trample on?

And anything covered by the 7 deadly sins doesn't count. You guys are **supposed** to be about all that, too ...

"I still maintain Obama could not get elected if he were white."

One could rationally make the same claim that Bush Jr. could not have been elected if he were black.

It's not clear what this proves other than race continues to be a divisive force in the US.

FYI Columbia MD:

Great post.

What's really puzzling is how that "ignorant wing" of the "Party", as your wife described it, continuously comments on here without fact checking.

Your comments and insight meet a high standard of credibility not only because you offer up real facts, but because you also aren't ashamed to reveal where you once were and why you're not there any longer.

Unfortunately, the lesson you tried to teach will only fall on deaf ears.

I lied. From my vantage point, fortunately.

"I still maintain Obama could not get elected if he were white."

So Hillary beats Obama. Then Hillary beats McCain.

Moot.

I'm somewhere along the lines of Mrs T. in that there are people going INTO the GOP as well as leaving. Now, I will second the spirit of FYI's post in that the GOP will not thrive until moderates aren't met with scorn. Truthfully, neither party suffers their moderates very well right now. This isn't the "need for a third party" call, but whichever party would lower the gun from their temple first would find a lot of votes.

My individual right that is being trampled on is to keep what I rightfully earned and to make my own decisions. I do not want the govt deciding what my health coverage should be. I do not want to be ordered to buy insurance or be taxed to provide it for anyone else. If I want to provide for someone it is my decision not yours.
If you pros want to live that way do it by yourselves and leave the rest of us out of it.
Have your health insurance but pay for it by taxing each other.

@TOJ:

"Truthfully, neither party suffers their moderates very well right now."

Please. The blue dogs are not in the cross hairs. Republican moderates are.

And polling has been consistent for 4 years now revealing that fewer and fewer voters identify themselves as Republicans.

That's not a trend in the Democratic Party.

Pope
98% of the black vote went to BHO. That could not happen to a whitey.
ACORN would not have worked for a whitey.

McCain was not a conservative so many would not vote for him.
He was part of too much leftist activities in his career to bring out the vote. Like lukewarm milk.


We will know who is the best candidate for us by who the lefties villify and hate the most. The one they try to destroy will be the best one. The more you hate Palin the more attractive she is to us.

Poop,

Move On has pledged $3 million to any Dem running against a Blue Dog that does not heel and follow Obama's direction on ObamaCare.

See my earlier post.

@ Atlas - Once again conservative "logic" at its best. You stated Republicans would only run the best candidate regardless of race, but then you backpedal and claim McCain was a poor choice. Alan Keyes fits the true conservative mold, you should have had him run instead.

You are so right about Acorn. They never existed prior to the 2008 election.

@Atlas Smugged said:"My individual right that is being trampled on is to keep what I rightfully earned and to make my own decisions"

Classic The Party Strawman, classically asserted as a victim of some greater conspiracy.

If you have employer-provided healthcare, you have no right to choose.

If you really believe in all things American, you know they aren't cost-free - in blood or treasure.

And if you live in Ohio, you must legally have automobile insurance.

How come you guys never gripe about having the government inserted between you and your body shop?

What a hoot ...

The Pope,

"Please. The blue dogs are not in the cross hairs. Republican moderates are."

Do you not read this very same VOP section on a daily basis? Also, how about the moveon.org email posted above?

I agree on the trend of party ID, but more importantly, how do these people vote? We're still talking 1/3 of the electorate as I. The loss in R (7 pts) flowed through to I (6 pts), not to D (2004-2009).

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1207/republican-party-identification-slips-nationwide-pennsylvania-specter-switch

@SpitWad:

Again - so what?

And the literary license you've taken in comical.

Also very curious about where you got the 98% figure. Last I checked votes were secret and racial demographics weren't maintained on voter registration cards.

@Atlas still Struggling:

"98% of the black vote went to BHO. That could not happen to a whitey.
ACORN would not have worked for a whitey."

What about Clinton:

"Clinton carried 82 percent of the black vote--a low sum compared to other Democratic nominees. (In 1988, for instance, Mike Dukakis carried 89 percent of the black electorate.)"

Not to far off. And it wouldn't have been enough to change the outcome of 08.

Acorn has no color preference. Get real.

@TOJ:
"Do you not read this very same VOP section on a daily basis? Also, how about the moveon.org email posted above?"

Lately, no, I haven't. You haven't noticed my absence this past week?

Those bootstraps, my man, bootstraps. But I should have been more diligent on that one. I hadn't seen the moveon.org email. I stand corrected.

Most of the time I'm trying to juggle work with this. Satisfied?

Also, I agree, "how will these people vote". I'm betting more will vote Democrat since they left the GOP, not the Dems.

@Spittoon of Reagan rattled:

"So Pope and FYI - do you consider taking taxpayer money and giving it to someone to give their people a raise a "job saved", I am curious to hear your input on this one."

Let me answer with this:

"The Department of Defense paid former Halliburton subsidiary KBR more than $80 million in bonuses for contracts to install electrical wiring in Iraq. The award payments were for the very work that resulted in the electrocution deaths of US soldiers, according to Department of Defense documents revealed today in a Senate hearing. More than $30 million in bonuses were paid months after the death of Sgt. Ryan Maseth, a highly decorated, 24-year-old Green Beret, who was electrocuted while taking a shower at a US base in January 2008. His death, the result of improper grounding for a water pump, has been classified by the US Army Criminal Investigations Division (CID) as a "negligent homicide." Maseth's death had originally been labeled an accident. Bonuses were paid to KBR in 2007 and 2008, after CID investigators had officially expressed concerns about the quality of KBR's electrical work."

You answer me about Dick Cheney's transfer of wealth to his former company, Haliburton. Justify to me the waste of taxpayers' money that's been exposed to date.

The Pope,

"Most of the time I'm trying to juggle work with this. Satisfied?"

Now admit that you're wrong about R Lerner.

@T_O_J:

If you look closer, the blue dog democrats aren't being accosted because of their conservative bent.

They are targets because their constituency doesn't agree with their position, and from looking at their finance reports, their positions seem to have been payed for.

Name a blue dog that isn't ...

@Spittoon of Reagan:

How about this transfer of taxpayer money:

"In August 2003, Blackwater received its first Iraq contract, a $21 million contract for a Personal Security Detachment and two helicopters for Paul Bremer, head of the U.S. occupation in Iraq.

In July 2004 Blackwater was hired by the U.S. State Department under the Bureau of Diplomatic Security's Worldwide Personal Protective Services (WPPS) umbrella contract, along with DynCorp International and Triple Canopy, Inc. for protective services in Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Israel. The applied for two years and expired on June 6, 2006. It authorized 482 personnel, and Blackwater received $488m for its work.

Erik Prince is the founder of private military corporation Blackwater USA.[1] In February 2009, shortly after Blackwater changed its name to "Xe," Prince announced he was stepping down as the company's CEO, but would remain its chair. "I'm a little worn out by the whole thing, the politics of it all," he said. [2]

Prince is a former Navy Seal and a "billionaire right-wing fundamentalist Christian from a powerful Michigan Republican family. A major Republican campaign contributor, he interned in the White House of President George H.W. Bush and campaigned for Pat Buchanan in 1992. He founded the mercenary firm Blackwater USA in 1997 with Gary Jackson, another former Navy SEAL."[3]

Prince's father, Edgar Prince, and Gary Bauer started the Family Research Council, where Prince interned. Prince's sister, Betsy DeVos, is a former chair of the Michigan Republican Party."

Not only no bids, but blatant cronyism that resulted in taxpayers being bilked and overcharged for your immoral escapade.

Erik Prince and George W. Bush. Two war-criminals.

@TOJ:

"Now admit that you're wrong about R Lerner."

That would be the last thing you'd ever get me to admit.

It all starts at the top, like I said before.

What's that Einstein quote about repeating mistakes....?

Once again, as NTU1 says: GAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWDDDDDD!

@NTU1 noted:

"They are targets because their constituency doesn't agree with their position, and from looking at their finance reports, their positions seem to have been payed for."

You wouldn't be referring to Sen. Baucas, would you:

"Senator Max Baucus (D-MT), chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, who has become the leading architect of health care reform in Congress, received more campaign contributions from the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries than any other current Democratic member of the House or Senate. Senator Baucus received $183,750 from health insurance companies and $229,020 from drug companies."

Thanks for the assist, NTU1.

I now rescind my ignorant admittance of being wrong.

"What's that Einstein quote about repeating mistakes....?"

Do they sell the Hindsight Glasses on Amazon or where are you getting these? Nobody complained about the Phil Savage hiring at the time. Remember "In Phil We Trust?" It wasn't until he got liberal with his Blackberry that fans started to question him. I'll give you that Mangini was SOMEWHAT of a head-scratcher, but remember the mantra was "we need an experienced coach. Enough of this OJT." When Cowher said no, who else was out there? Gruden (my choice) hadn't been fired yet and Shannahan is a fraud. As long as John Elway and Terrell Davis were coming with him, then I'd take him. Otherwise....

My point is this is a media/emotional Cleveland fan concoction. Cleveland fans are so far from rational these days, it's not even funny. Fans want the coaches' head after three games? As John Stossel says, give me a break.

But we'll agree to disagree.

Well, I will leave you Liberals with a closing thought to consider as you lick your wounds from last night's severe beatdown.

Today is the 30th anniversary of the Iran hostage crisis. This crisis exposed a weak and impotent President named Jimmy Carter. This painful experience led to the LANDSLIDE election of Ronald Reagan. He put this course on a new trajectory (Dear Leader Obama's words) that led to peace through strength, prosperity at home and the end of Communism in the Easter Bloc.

@Spitton of Reagan:

Here's something to remember:

"The National Constitution Center’s 2008 Liberty Medal will be awarded to former Soviet leader and Nobel Peace Prize winner Mikhail Gorbachev for his courageous role in ending the dangerous, decades-long Cold War and in giving hope and freedom to millions who lived behind the Iron Curtain. The public Liberty Medal ceremony will take place on Thursday, September 18, 2008, at the National Constitution Center in Historic Philadelphia, and will set the stage for international commemoration of the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall in 2009."

http://constitutioncenter.org/libertymedal/recipient_2008.html

Nothing for Ronnie posthumously. The fall was not one sided by any stretch.

Only the stretch of your pathetic imagination.

I just felt your Foil hat tighten....

NTU1,

I don't see how that's any different. Saying you disagree with a Blue Dog b/c of a position on health care and the far right saying someone isn't "conservative enough" (a supposition based on positions) seems like the same thing to me.

Also, I believe you meant to say "name a POLITICIAN that isn't." I could make the same statement about Liberals pushing card check, funded by union contributions. You can make a chicken or egg argument about which follows which (vote or money) for anybody.

@TOJ told:

"Do they sell the Hindsight Glasses on Amazon or where are you getting these? Nobody complained about the Phil Savage hiring at the time. Remember "In Phil We Trust?" It wasn't until he got liberal with his Blackberry that fans started to question him. I'll give you that Mangini was SOMEWHAT of a head-scratcher, but remember the mantra was "we need an experienced coach. Enough of this OJT." When Cowher said no, who else was out there? Gruden (my choice) hadn't been fired yet and Shannahan is a fraud. As long as John Elway and Terrell Davis were coming with him, then I'd take him. Otherwise...."

Personally I've been consistent with my criticisms of Lerner each and every time he hired a coach first, GM second.

That is a** backwards and you know it. And he's repeated this same mistake 3 times now with the same results.

This has nothing to do with fickle fans. That's an insult to ignorant people that keep supporting this fiasco masquerading as intelligent ownership.

And there WAS someone Lerner could have hired before he couldn't help himself with Mangini.

Lerner had permission to speak with Rich McKay, who built Tampa into Super Bowl champions and has twice built Atlanta now into a playoff team.

But once McKay learned of the Mangini hiring he told Lerner he was no longer interested. That further demonstrates Lerner's lack of common sense or pure business acumen.

I don't agree to disagree with you.

LOL, you losers

@Spittoon of Reagan robbed:

Today is the 30th anniversary of the Iran hostage crisis. This crisis exposed a weak and impotent President named Jimmy Carter. This painful experience led to the LANDSLIDE election of Ronald Reagan. He put this course on a new trajectory (Dear Leader Obama's words) that led to peace through strength, prosperity at home and the end of Communism in the Easter Bloc.

When I cut and paste I always use quotations and try to include the link.

This isn't the first time you've tried to pawn something off as your own.

@ Ash Chawla, the entitlement generation(s) is the direct product of LBJ's Great Society. We continue to pay, encourage and reward illegitmate births by multiple fathers and expect nothing in return.

The Pope,

Rich McKay was bumped by some kid from New England (who promptly turned the team into a playoff team). He wasn't even in football ops last year. What does that tell you?

You'll agree and like it.

@TOJ: You know better than that:

"The entire Atlanta Falcons organization will benefit immensely from the experienced leadership of Rich McKay this season as he embarks on a new role as team President in 2008. McKay previously served for four years in a dual role as President & General Manager.

One of the many proud moments during McKay’s brief, but successful tenure in Atlanta has included helping the Falcons lay claim to an NFC South Division title in 2004 — only the club’s third Division crown in 42 years — and a NFC Championship Game appearance for only the second time in team history.

Some of McKay’s new responsibilities in 2008 will entail overseeing all of the Falcons front office business, including Marketing, Finance, Ticket Sales, and Football Communications, among others. He will also continue to be the liaison with the League in all football and business-related matters. McKay’s esteemed football background will also serve the Falcons well as he continues to be an instrumental member of the NFL’s prestigious Competition Committee as a Co-Chairman.

During his nine-year run as chief architect of Tampa Bay’s football operations, McKay constructed Buccaneer teams that won better than 60 percent of their games.

The apex of McKay’s distinguished NFL career took place in sunny San Diego, California on January 26, 2003 when he completed the overhaul of the Buccaneers — long considered one of the worst franchises in professional sports. Tampa Bay’s 48–21 victory over the Oakland Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII vaulted the Buccaneers from the basement of professional sports to the top of the NFL universe thanks to McKay’s handiwork."

Now return to those "bootstraps". Have a good night.

@TOJ: You know better than that:

"The entire Atlanta Falcons organization will benefit immensely from the experienced leadership of Rich McKay this season as he embarks on a new role as team President in 2008. McKay previously served for four years in a dual role as President & General Manager.

One of the many proud moments during McKay’s brief, but successful tenure in Atlanta has included helping the Falcons lay claim to an NFC South Division title in 2004 — only the club’s third Division crown in 42 years — and a NFC Championship Game appearance for only the second time in team history.

Some of McKay’s new responsibilities in 2008 will entail overseeing all of the Falcons front office business, including Marketing, Finance, Ticket Sales, and Football Communications, among others. He will also continue to be the liaison with the League in all football and business-related matters. McKay’s esteemed football background will also serve the Falcons well as he continues to be an instrumental member of the NFL’s prestigious Competition Committee as a Co-Chairman.

During his nine-year run as chief architect of Tampa Bay’s football operations, McKay constructed Buccaneer teams that won better than 60 percent of their games.

The apex of McKay’s distinguished NFL career took place in sunny San Diego, California on January 26, 2003 when he completed the overhaul of the Buccaneers — long considered one of the worst franchises in professional sports. Tampa Bay’s 48–21 victory over the Oakland Raiders in Super Bowl XXXVII vaulted the Buccaneers from the basement of professional sports to the top of the NFL universe thanks to McKay’s handiwork."

Now return to those "bootstraps". Have a good night.

@TOJ:

The only thing we definitively agree on is your avatar.

Spirit of Reagan,

"I still maintain Obama could not get elected if he were white."

UR way off base on this.

Instead of winning 54/46, Obama would have won 53/47 if he were white.

Minor factor.
I hope you rethink this one.

The Pope,

Forgive me for being cynical, but I've seen better scripts for when people are put out to pasture.

FYI,
You are a Republican, I am not.
Nonetheless, I will speak on behalf of the "ignorant wing" of the party, and ask you two questions.
1) Looking at a common ultrasound, who has more trouble correctly identifying what they see as a human being -- the ignorant wing, or the intelligent/Scazzafaba wing?
2) Looking at 2 homosexuals who want to get married, somewhere between 95% and 100% of the people ever born on this planet would have said "Ridiculous." Were they ignorant, too?

The Pope,

Based on the things I've heard from Steeler fans, I might be going old school at the Thursday night game (provoked, of course).

The great philosopher, Underarmorous, eloquently stated, "thou shalt protecteth this domicile."

I think there's a mathematical correlation evident in today's posts.

Something like . . .

S equals Number of Khen's Sarah Palin posts.
C equals Number of Khen's crude sex jokes.
P equals Percent pts liberals lost by in Virginia

P equals S squared plus C . . .

. . . or something like that.

NTU1,
"We do, however, have some serious animosity for those that get successful by leaving footprints in the middle of millions of backs."

How about those that get successful by leaving footprints in the middle of one back?

@TOJ:

And if your script theory were true, it would be a better script if he were put out to pasture here.

One man's pasture is another man's cemetary.

@TOJ: "Based on the things I've heard from Steeler fans, I might be going old school at the Thursday night game (provoked, of course)."

Once, as a youngster, I ventured into Three Rivers Stadium all clad in Browns gear for a Browns/Steelers playoff game.

Once before that, as a youngster, I ventured into the Coliseum to attend a Raiders/Browns game clad in Browns gear.

I came closer to death at any other time in my life, including Vietnam evacuation duty and being in the middle of an armed robbery.

One of the few times in my life I made the same mistake twice. But at least I didn't repeat it a third time like Lerner has.

@TOJ:

By the way, you are forgiven.

You Have Got to Be Kidding - I believe you incorreectly attributed the "white" comment to me. I did a search and it was Atlas Shrugging that posted that.

The race thing is irrelevant to me. The problem with Obama isn't his race, it's his ideas.

@You're not kidding anyone pseudo intellected:

"How about those that get successful by leaving footprints in the middle of one back?"

Example, please. Kook.

(To be applied as you see fit:)

PWND!

(Thanks, Khen.)

Don't forget that Veteran's Day is near and I want all of you to kiss my ......

There where no ballots available for hours at polling stations around summit county.

Having no ballots available for elections is a gross infringement on our civil rights.

Ohio needs a re-vote Ohio needs a investigation of why people where being turned away from voting in direct result of the Board of Elections actions.

The Board of Elections made voting more difficult if not impossible by failing to supply numberous voting locations with enough ballots for voters.

The Board of Elections did not respond to these issues in a timely manner further complicating the voting procedure and increasing the number of voters being barred from their right to vote by the actions the Board of Elections.

Am I the only one that see's this?