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Police, elections board investigate alleged assault over marked ballot
By Stephanie Warsmith
Beacon Journal staff writer
Published on Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008
Poll workers from opposing sides in the presidential race apparently clashed in a physical altercation Friday at a Cuyahoga Falls nursing home when one accused the other of improperly marking a ballot.
George Manos, the 75-year-old Republican, told police that Edith Walker, the 73-year-old Democrat, jumped on his back and struck him in the head three to four times with her fists. Manos said two other elections workers had to pull Walker off his back, according to a report filed with Cuyahoga Falls police.
Manos said it happened after he accused Walker of ballot tampering, and he wants to prosecute.
The incident, which occurred about noon at Gardens of Western Reserve nursing home, is being investigated by both the police and the Summit County elections board. The board probe could lead to a closer examination of the other votes with which Walker was involved.
The alleged assault piqued the interest of
Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign as the voter in question reportedly wanted to vote for McCain but her ballot was initially marked for Sen. Barack Obama.
''This is a troubling report that emphasizes the importance of having a transparent and open process in every voting place in Ohio,'' said Paul Lindsay, a spokesman for McCain's campaign.
The elections board sent two teams of poll workers, each with one Democrat and one Republican, to the nursing home to assist residents who otherwise would be unable to go to the polls. Such early voting is a routine service offered by elections boards to nursing homes.
Board officials said they have received conflicting accounts and are trying to sort out what happened as Manos and Walker were attempting to assist a female nursing home resident with her ballot. Until they do, Walker won't be involved with voting.
''Any type of disagreement at a voting center is not appropriate,'' said Tim Gorbach, a Democratic member of the elections board. ''We need to find out exactly what happened and will take action.''
The voter was able to cast a new, correct ballot with her desired choices, according to elections board officials.
Workers finish vote
After the incident, Manos and Walker were asked to return to the elections board and the remaining team of poll workers finished the voting at the nursing home.
Manos, Walker and the two other poll workers gave written accounts to the board.
Walker said in her statement that Manos tried to grab the ballot in question out of her hand. She said he accused her of marking the ballot wrong and she ''apologized to him if I did do it, but he was very mean to me.''
Manos' written statement is similar to what he told police. He also said Walker initially refused to show him the ballot, then marked it a second time.
Richard Bader, a Republican poll worker at the nursing home, wrote that he forced his way between Walker and Manos and ''she tried to strong-arm me out of the way, but I held my ground.'' Bader said the incident drew a crowd of six to 10 people.
Robert Dengle, a Democratic poll worker who witnessed the incident, wrote that Manos grabbed the ballot out of Walker's hand and she went after him to get it back. When they ultimately reviewed the ballot, he said, it was marked both for Obama and McCain.
New rules suggested
Bryan Williams, the board's deputy director, sent the statements to elections board members Monday, along with suggested new nursing home guidelines for elections board staff. If the board approve the rules, he said, the staff will be retrained before voting resumes at area nursing homes today.
Among the recommendations are that both the Democrat and Republican poll worker review each vote on a ballot as it is marked and that when reviewing the choices a poll worker will say them aloud so the voter can hear them.
Brian Daley, a Republican member of the elections board, said he thinks the board should have a hearing on the incident. He said the board may need to examine the other votes Walker was involved with to make sure they were properly marked.
''If it results in looking at the others, so be it,'' he said. ''The facts as they unfold will dictate where we go with it.''
Stephanie Warsmith can be reached at 330-996-3705 or swarsmith@thebeaconjournal.com.
Poll workers from opposing sides in the presidential race apparently clashed in a physical altercation Friday at a Cuyahoga Falls nursing home when one accused the other of improperly marking a ballot.
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Yes, American is a Christian nation alright. Fighting, cheating, name calling and now prosecution. What a great example we set. Maybe we should outsource polling to people from India. Maybe if a party gets caught cheating or even accused of cheating the party should nopt be able to run for office. Sounds like a new way to get some fresh people in office that want to attain the job honestly.
It makes you wonder how many of these votes were never caught. ACORN and the Obama brown shirts are out in full force. Buy it or steal it, anything to win an election. Welcome to Chicago politics. Change you can believe it?
Once again a very biased report by long- time Democrat Stephanie Lawrence (Warsmith). She has voted in every Democrat primary so of course she is going to slant the story aganist Republicans.
The truth is: Ther voter in question said REPEATEDLY they wanted to vote for McCain, but what a surprise, when Manos reviewed the ballot it was checked for Obama.
They should throw out every ballot the Democrat oversaw.
This is the second incident of fraud that i am aware of.
If this story were reversed and a Republican tried to commit voter fraud, this story would be a HUGE HEADLINE on the front page.
This is a crying shame.
Pathetic. But mebbe Edith had the hots for George and lost control.
Geriatic Smack Down
Sam, please produce your substantiated evidence behind your horsecrap accusation that Obama is behind the fraud. Until you do, STFU.
You'll be quiet for a long, long time. Forever actually.
I am sure Obama will come out and say "this isn't the Acorn that I remember".
Bush stole 2 elections. But of course those who love W would disagree.
This is one Republican that will tell you W is an idiot who will be the worst President in History.
I hope Obama "steals" the election. Today's Republicans need a good kick in the nuts. The last 8 years have been a massive failure. Disagree?
The Economy Sucks. Your home is worth nothing. Jobless claims keep rising. Your 401K is worth $4.01. Boy, that $1200.00 credit really helped out!
Really, Defend This Administration. I am willing to listen.
Don't worry Ohio you are not the only state where Obama's friends at Acorn are being investigated for voter fraud. After all Obama did teach at Acorn and was an adviser and an attorney for them to make banks give out loans to people who could not afford them and could never repay the bank. Thus we had the financial crisis that we have. Let's not forget democrats Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd who had larger and leading part in the financial crisis. Now we are allowing the same people to attempt to fix the problem. Where is the investigation of Frank and Dodd and all of the dems who would not allow an investigation of possible failure of fannie mae and freddie mac long before the bank failures??? Does having the fox guard the hen house come to mind??
Republicans complaining about voter fraud....what a laugh. They must have forgotten about their shenanigans in 2000 and 2004 that stole both elections. If this woman did in fact deliberately mark the ballot incorrectly, she should be removed and other ballots checked as well. That's fair. But don't try to portray this as an orchestrated attempt at voter fraud.....that is one area the republicans win by a long shot.
Don't you just love the people who say they are republican but will vote for the messiah??? Give us all a break. We don't buy that crap that you were are are a republican for one minute.
In 2000 and 2004 the dems prevented the military votes from being counted. Bush got almost 52% of the popular vote in 2004. Highest in recent history. Your friend BC could only muster 49%.
Check out these smart voters Howard Stern found in NY.
Another great example of the educated voter.... Ignorance reigns supreme!
http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3
Walker was obviously checking off Obama's name before having the ballots signed. She thought(as most dems do) that she was smarter than George Manos and he would not catch her at her little game.
How many more Walker's are out there?? Well we know now that there are many in several states.
Posted by Ohio 07:23 AM, 10/14/2008
Bush stole 2 elections.
This is an admission that this election is being stolen. It legitimizes the theft. If this sentiment is allowed to prevail the only recourse will be violence. Be careful what you wish for.
This election, has involved the most devious of voter fraud attempts, ever encounter, except during Mayor Daley's fraud during his terms in Chicago in the 60's. Doesn't it make you wonder, why, the same dirty tricks used in Chicago politics are now on the national scene? Who in this Presidential race, knows more about the dirty tricks of Chicago politics, other than the alias Hussein Obama! Who trained ACORN? The alias Hussein Obama! I have petitioned the courts to mandate, that the entire state of Ohio's recent registrations be hand verified, and that any received from the agency ACORN and others associated with the alias Hussein Obama, be considered null and void, due to the fraud, exhibited in Ohio, Florida, Missouri, and Nevada, just to name a few states by the organization of which the alias Hussein Obama was a trainer and supervisor of. Everyone needs to read about the Federal Lawsuit in Philadelphia, Berg vs Obama, whereby, Attorney Berg is asking to see the alias Obama's birth certificate, and this alias Hussein Obama has refused, as it does not exist, due to him being relieved of it during his adoption to his second Muslim father from Indonesia, his real name is, according to the judicial system in Indonesia, and the Islamic Muslim schools he attended, is "Barry Mohamed Soetoro"! When his mother sent him back to Hawaii, his legal name was "Barry Mohamed Soetoro" and was therefore an illegal alien, as he had his citizenship revoked after being legally adopted and acknowledge by his Muslim Indonesia father IAW their laws. In review of the Judicial archives of Hawaii, there is absolute no petition to the courts for a name change. So if you read www.ObamaCrimes.com you will learn much more!
I bet he had a knot on his head the size of an "acorn".
I live in FL. Bush did NOT steal the 2000 Election.
Bush won by a mere 525 votes in FL. Gore did not like the result and challenged the outcome twice!!!
So, the votes were counted three times and three times the winner was Bush and the whiner was Gore!!! Our FL Constitution reads that on the 7th day at 5pm EST all votes will be in and votes that are NOT in are NOT counted. So Gore, sues, and this crap drags out for six weeks as the country waits...The FL Supreme Court ruled against Gore so it went to the DC Court of Apppeals and then the US Supreme Court who finally put a stop to the insanity. CNN started the mess by saying Gore won. FL has a CST zone in the panhandle where the polls hadn't closed. The ONLY way Gore could win was to sue because with a Republican controlled House in 2000, they would have voted for Bush anyway. Please
THINK before you speak about FL, NATIVE FLORIDIANS take offense to people spouting out nonsense they
no NOTHING about!!! I wouldn't dare say anything about OH because I don't know anything about it!!!
Hey Mark: I guess you've missed the years of sectarian violence in India. About a hundred people have been blown up in bombings just this year. Please stop hating your own country and pretending things are better elsewhere.
Joseph, saying that Bush stole two elections proves only that you are hooked on the left-wing websites and have no contact with reality. The closely fought Florida election of 2000 has been repeatedly been proven to show that Bush won fairly, regardless of how the study was performed. The 2004 election was not even close! Conspiracy theories feed on the gullibility of uninformed people.
And to Ohio, who also eats up this insane conspiracy theory from the fringe left about Bush stealing elections, if you are are Republican, I am Superman. The Democrats, especially Chicago Democrats, wrote the book on election fraud. To confirm the post from 'G' earlier, People who pretend to be someone who they are not in a blog, insult the intelligence of honest people.
Too many of you are watching the Republican Network FOX and listening to their horsecrap. Acorn did nothing wrong.
Voter fraud, real or perceived (and John is correct about the 2000 and 2004 elections), does not justify continued voter fraud. ACORN does not understand the importance of truth in a democracy and, apparently, doesn't care. As to the economy, isn't it amazing what a Democrat-controlled Congres can do in just two years of setting spending policy!
Vote fraud, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov't. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing at Gitmo.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting illegal wars without declaration.
Impeach them all (both parties) and save this great country.
Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov't and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000083883
Given that the story indicates that the ballot was marked for both candidates it sounds like she may have initially marked it incorrectly, then correctly and was probably in the process of erasing the entry for Obama when the old f*art grabbed the ballot out of her hand. It would have made me madder than a wet hen too if I was trying to do the right thing and some man (Republican or Democrat) thought he had the right to jerk what I was working on out of my hand. Tragically HE will be allowed to return and treat other fellow poll workers as callously.
if Bush is so stupid is you all claim, how did he manage to steal two elections?
we can send a man to the moon, but we can't come up with better voting systems?
for the seniors, how about they push their medic alert bracelet once for Obama, twice for McCain..
the logic in the Dem's mind is "W stole 2 elections, we are justified in stealing 1 for The One".
Whoa, Ray. Are you saying that this voter fraud that we are discussing comes from the Government??? That is way, way, out. Bad enough that they faked the moon landing and blew up the world trade center, but being involved in Acorn is cool. I'll bet you are also a member of the flat earth society. Quoting a book is also very convincing. 'Mein Kampf' is another book that has a lot of truth and honesty.
please tell me where macain was born I no it wasn't anywhere in the US
Ah, the typical hatred and anger of the liberal world has no age limit. Keep signing up every ignorant person you can pull out off the streets libs, you should be very proud.
A new member, so not sure if the assertion that this reporter leans left and therefore slants the facts in this instance are true but would be interested in for whom the voter actually cast his or her vote. Would seem very clear if it was for McCain, and it was marked for both that there was an inappropriate action taken by the Democratic poll worker.
As for the post from "Ohio" - while I wouldn't defend many of this administrations actions on its handling of the economy to fault ONLY this administration is extremely naive.
The seeds of our current problems were sewn well over a decade ago. BOTH parties play a substantial role in "compromising" over the years to enrich their respective supporters and/or further their ideologies. Nor should you release individuals who acted recklessly for taking responsibility. Millions of people threw fiscal responsibility aside during the housing boom and spent well above their means. We need to stop blaming others, stop the figure pointing and reinforce the concept of personal respondibilty to our society.
Repbulicans must get a 3% higher vote than Democrats in order to offset Democrat cheating. This woman obviously was voiding Republican votes by adding a vote for Obama.
Jack,
Wake up. You can't hide Obama's past association with ACORN. You can't think that although he may not be behind their voter fraud his refusal to confron the group on such blatant illegal registrations is at least tacit approval.
Great article about ACORN's past actions and democratic affiliations in the NY Post yesterday by Stanley Kurtz.
OTD,
If ACORN has done nothing wrong in Ohio, then why has a RICO suit been filed against them?
http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/acorn.pdf
Aaron,
McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. His parents were both citizens of the U.S. and conferred Natural Born Citizen rights to him based on the U.S. Code in affect at the time of his birth. Congress has also passed a resolution confirming this fact.
I my opinion Democrats are a bunch of liars and sorry lazy thieves. Steal until caught, when caught lie, when you can't lie your way out, blame it on the oppression of those rich folk Republicans for making it the sorry way it is. I wish you lying lazy SOB's would all starve. "Hey buddy can you spare a handout, I can't work, I'm too lazy". Get a job and then get the hell out of my way.
I my opinion Republicans are a bunch of liars and sorry lazy thieves. Steal until caught, when caught lie, when you can't lie your way out, blame it on the oppression of those poor folk Democrats for making it the sorry way it is. I wish you lying lazy SOB's would all starve. "Hey buddy can you spare a taxcut, I can't pay, I'm too rich". Get a soul and then get the hell out of my way.
Summit Co. Board of Elections workers can't even correctly process a candidate's name-change form (www.BillConte.com). How can we expect the Board to oversee poll workers (essentially volunteers)? Something is just not right at the Board of Elections. These are serious problems, yet no answers for us citizens.
Here is the video from Berg about the Kenya birth
http://www.exposeobama.com/
and here is good for some laughs
http://bestobamafacts.com/
Hey Sue
Suck It!
Liberal socialists have truly gotten more and more ugly since Gore lost in FL. They will stop at nothing to steal an election. They will never believe that not everyone is a liberal socialist and wants to vote for their candidate. Here in Texas during the primary the poll work stamped my ticket Democrat after I said I was voting in the Republican primary. I told her to change it now! I told her I would never vote in a socialist primary and to change it to Republican!! She said it really doesn't matter!!! I told her if it wasn't change right now, I would call the officials. I held up the line arguing with her!! I won that argument at least. I am so sick of being referred to a racist because I don't want to vote for a liberal socialist. It isn't about race people...it's about policy and trust!!!!!! Get over yourselves.
Hey Sue
How appropriate that you even stole my words in your response and acted like they were yours.
Liars and Thieves!
Hey Sue
How appropriate that you would steal my words and act like they were yours.
Liars and Thieves!
Bush didn't steal the 2000 and 2004 election. He simply won by a margin large enough to offset all the election fraud committed by the ACORN's, Soros and Moveon.org cheaters
Must be an Obama supporter monitoring the comments. They censored my post and there was nothing derogatory in it... just facts.
Its not a matter of hating my country, its a matter of being a patriot. A patriot says what needs to be said for the sake of the country and its citizens. By the way, India has more religions than any other country in the world and they get along with each other much better than the rest of the world would under those circumstances.
What I am mocking is the fact that so many Americans say they are Christian but act more like Anti-Christ. Talking with a forked tongue and not living Christ-like.
As for Republicans, they have a lot of nerve talking about Democrats cheating. Republicans are the biggest liars, cheaters and thieves around. Ask Prescott Bush about his part in the JFK, RFK assasinations.
You will see why the truth will never come out about those assasinations.
Hey Ohio - I'm not by any means a Bush fan. I think he could have done a much better job than he actually did. What you have to realize though, is that the majority of Bush's proposals were turned down. You can't blame everything on the president, when they get denied by Congress. Also, dont say Bush is the worst president in history. If you're going to do that, look back to the Civil War era papers. Lincoln was dubbed a terrorist and lunatic in the 1800's. He was considered a horrible president. He revoked so many rights that everyone hated him. Now look at how he is considered today. To guage a president, you need to consider the country in 100 years, and look back.
Hello Libs,
Quick question. If ACORN hasn't done anything wrong, then why as the Messiah distanced himself from them ("Never worked with them")-- despite representing them in litigation and training the crackhead thugs signing up Mickey Mouse and the Dallas Cowboys starting line?
Quick Question. If Rev Wright (Obama's pastor & "spiritual guide") is OK, why did he denounce him after 20 years of listening to his black supremacy and "hate America first" tieraids?
Quick Question. If Bill Ayers (Launched Obama's political career in his living room) is just "someone from the neighborhood", then how come Obama's wife worked with Ayer's wife some 20 years ago. How come Bill Ayers put a nobody (Obama) in charge of distributing the $100M grant to "help education" (which by their own studies failed). If what he did was detestible (when Obama was 8 years old), why pal with him?
Why did Fannie & Freddie (GOVERNMENT sponsored entities) give a jr. nobody like Obama the 2nd highest campaign contributions? Deregulation of GOVERNMENT Sponsored Entities was the fault of the financial crisis? Or was it the fraudulent raiding of these entities by Democrats who blocked not only McCain's attempt to regulate them, but blocked Bush's 7 attempts to rein them in (all in the name of Housing for the poor).
Well said Tae. Finally! Someone with a lucid thought.
CAGE MATCH .... Canes and walkers allowed...
Last geezer standing without a broken hip wins...
When will we the voters of this great nation be given a 3rd option on our ballot : NONE OF THE ABOVE
Bush heard there's oil under the home & they have
WMD's (weapons of mass diapers) there. We'll
soon be invading and giving them $3 billion a month
for a puppet government even though the geezers
all follow the theocratic leadership of Bertha down
in therapy. What a great country that Karl Rove
has unleashed on us for 8 long years.
HA HA, the mind-numbed, thought-impaired Dem robots keep accusing Bush of "stealing" 2 elections, actually Bush and the Republicans PREVENTED the Dems from their attempted theft of both elections.
This ACORN stuff is nothing new, it's been going on in favor of the Dems for DECADES. It's just finally coming to light because one so intimately involved (B.O. - hold your nose) is in the forefront this time.
If it weren't for the FRADULENT votes that WE ALL KNOW were cast in 2000 and 2004, both Bush victories would have been revealed clearly to be the landslides that they were.
I voted for "W" twice and would do it again if I had the same choices: the Eco-fraud inventor of the internet or the fake "war hero" John Kerry.
Posted by Ohio:
"The Economy Sucks. Your home is worth nothing. Jobless claims keep rising. Your 401K is worth $4.01. Boy, that $1200.00 credit really helped out!"
Yeah...but it sure was a great ride while it lasted, eh?
Hey Allen-
Typical response from an idiot (racist I'm guessing too). That's the best you can do: "Suck it"?????
Can dish it out but cant take it???? All I did was copy your little whining rant and turn it around on you.
Oh well I see a few minutes later you did in fact come up with an even better response:
"How appropriate that you even stole my words in your response and acted like they were yours.
Liars and Thieves!"
Well I guess it was just way over your head that I used your words to show you how ridiculous you are. Believe me, I would never claim ownership to your ridiculous comment, and have no desire to steal any words from you- that would be like stealing... hmmmm... what- garbage? GROW UP.
Ohio is the new Floriduh!!! Republicans stole that election, maybe the Democrats are trying to get payback.
Wow, such hate, maybe the USA needs to be broken into 2 countries.
I hope the people of Ohio have more sense than to elect Obama. If not, I feel they too will feel the long-term consequences.
Obama, Oprah, Jesse Jackson, Luis Farikan; in my opinion, they have an agenda they desire to foist, or try to, foist on the American people, and it is no good!
To the peace lovers, which I am, you might do yourselves a favor and research this man better before you vote. The more I learn; the more I shudder.
I will NOT vote for Obama, for he does not hoodwink me, as he has many.
I also live in Florida, the election was stolen.
Republicans are mad because they had a moron for President for 8 years that has been the worst president in the history of the USA. Now a democrat is gonna win and clean up the mess and they just can;t handle it. Here's a rope...go hang yourselves.
This offense is referred to as an over-vote. Someone deliberately marks a paper ballot on the candidate opposing the choice of the voter. Thus nullifying a vote, in this case, for McCain. This is why the Demorats prefer paper over machine votes. I saw this in person in Florida during the last two presidential elections. The only people trying to steal elections are Demorats. If they win this election it will be by fraud and deceit.
Bush never stole a vote. He lost the popular vote, but that was only because of California, and he is not the only president that lost the popular vote and still won an election. Plus, many soldiers votes did not get counted. And 93% of americas soldiers are registered republicans. Its the electoral college that counts. not the popular vote.
Barack Hussain Obama... wow.
William Ayers... geesh.
Rev Wright... amen.
"For the first time in my adult life, I never been so ashamed of my country"
Democrats will win because Republicans can't lead worth a darn. Republicans need to take off their blindfolds and look at what Bush and his fellow losers have done. You only deceive yourselves. Republicans live in one big fantasy and believe their owen lies. I do believe that is a psychosis. Republicans steal elections, how? Well look and see who has the CIA connections. CIA is known for its dirty tricks and its foul play in foreign politics. Now they are using those same tricks in the USA. Bush has all the CIA connections. Like the people of the USA need another 4 years of Bush/McCain politics.
B. Hussain Obama... "spread the wealth"... well I want some of Oprah's money!
It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.
OUR COUNTRY IS IN BIG TROUBLE NO MATTER WHO WINS THE ELECTION. WE CANT EVEN VOTE IN A CIVIL MATTER BUT JUST WHAT ARE THEY PUTTING IN GERITOL THESE DAYS
The terrorist are slippin' AKORN nuts into the Geritol. (Dang Libs support that too)
The best thing about the ridiculous arguments on "voter fraud" is that Ohio and Floriduh won't matter this year. ACORN is a huge head fake that McCain is trying to run. The video of him at an ACORN rally is already up on Youtube - this is the best political tool after internet fund raising. McCain's only defence is senility - "I forgot that I used to think ACORN was good, thanks for showing me the video. Never mind!"
Can somebody please take a moment and think. Voter registration fraud is not voter fraud. Big difference. Lazy people filling out some bogus registrations to collect a bigger paycheck does not translate into votes. Non-existent people are not going to show up at polls. Use your brains people.
LOL This must have given these retirees an excellent entertaining day! LOL It just goes to show things never change....the democrats are always the one throwing punches...killing babies...and putting any animal before a human being.
Bwaah! HA Ha ha!
There is VIDEO of McCain Praising ACORN. You guys need to learn about The Internets!
Try another lie - maybe the next one will stick.
Bwaah!
I LIKE AN IDEA I READ ON HERE SOMEWHERE - MAYBE NOT THIS POST - JUST THE SAME - REGISTER AT - REPEAT - AT THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS. SORT OF LIKE GETTING A DRIVER'S LICENSE OR PLATES - YOU NEED AN ID. PERIOD. WITH AN ID - YOU ARE WHO YOU PRESENT YOURSELF TO BE. YOU ARE NOW REGISTERED TO VOTE. WHY WOULD THIS BE A PROBLEM ? I MEAN, HOW DOES ONE CONDUCT LEGITIMATE, DAY TO DAY, BUSINESS WITHOUT IDENTIFACATION. UNLESS. OF COURSE, THE LEGITIMATE ASPECT IS FOUND TO BE TROUBLING. IS THAT IT ? I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE KNOWN BY WHO YOU ARE..............
Old people....when will they ever learn???
Yes, if it's on youtube, it must be true. No one ever falsifies videos on there.
In reality, has anyone else noticed that as Obama's lead grew in the polls, the stock market was crashing, but as soon as McCain started to get closer to Obama in the polls, the stock market went up. Is that what we have to look forward to from an Obama presidency? The stock market to continue to crash?
To Doug:
Where exactly do you get your information from? Why don't you try checking legit sources yourself like factcheck.org, a nonpartisan, nonprofit "consumer advocate" for voters. They reported about their visit with the actual birth certificate, as well as display high-res photos of it, including the raised seal and signature stamp. Come on, smarten up already.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
WE just put our Pro Democratic patients asleep and the can't vote
Like Republicans don't kill. DOn;t mind having soldiers killed do you? Don;t mind letting citizens suffer and die in New Orleans after Katrina, do ya? DOn;t mind letting a woman go to a back alley for abortion or Mexico, do ya? Its a woman's body not the governments. Republicans are facist swine through and through. Trying to sell their fear propoganda to all the faithless morons.
FRANK & DODD = FRODD (FRAUD!)
Sue... CNN posted this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdtirp4XdGs&feature
Doug... CNN did not post that. Whoever made the video doesn't even take credit anywhere, but it most certainly was not CNN. The fact that you thought it CNN was tells me about your naivete.
Take a class to learn about the internet. You can learn how to better judge the content you find on websites. Everything on it is not necessarily a fact. Anybody can post almost anything they want.
To Just an Observer:
Amen. Unfortunately everytime Republicans have tried to introduce and pass stricter voter registration requirements they are accused of being racist, elitists, and of trying to block people from voting.
Its pretty simple: everyone legally entitled should get one vote and ONLY one vote. If there are voters who can not make it to a voting center then the government (not a particuler polictical party) should provide options. But we need to make sure those options do not provide loopholes for people to vote more than once.
Can anyone actually argue against this?
Only in America.
To Sue:
I don't know the legal definition of voter fraud but its ridiculous of you to assume that some of those multiple registrations do not lead to you definition of fraud.
What I have a larger problem with is there is an organization that not only receive government money, but support from BOTH political parties. They were alligned with the democratic ideology and the republicans supported them as a compromise to further theie agendas. Why is thie relatively small organization(think I've heard they have 350,000 members) allowed to draw millions in taxpayer funds and then use those funds to drive voter registrations (many which appear to be false) targeted specifically towards one party.
There are far too many organizations such as this on the public payroll.
I want to know why this wasn't the front page story in the Beacon on Saturday. It didn't hit your paper until Tuesday after it made national news. Trying to cover this story up as if it didn't happen in your own backyard. I am sure the election board with Marijean Donofrio had something to do with squashing this story until you were forced to print it.
I'm a Republican supporting Obama this time around. You just have to look at the messages on this board to understand why so many of us are breaking ranks.
At this point the party is in such disarray it would be foolish to support this ticket and only the most die hard (read stupid) could continue to parrot the party line instead of discussing what McCain will do for the country. Nothing.
Also I worked for a Republican senator in the early 90's and the association game is a tricky one for anyone supporting John McCain. In addition to Keating and Libby (convicted felons) he has a long list of unappealing supporters. At some point look into those who have helped the wife's beer distributionship.
Title 19 of the Help Americans Vote Act (HAVA) clearly defines that the actions taken by Acorn are indeed violations and those involved are subject to Federal Prosecution! Lets see if Barry-O will continue to shield these felons or repudiate them.
Many people are completely unaware that senior citizen voting has been politicized in the U.S. for years.
My mother suffered Alzheimer's. And because my husband and I both work full time, we enrolled her in a senior day care center. One day we received a call from the Director of the center, asking where my mother was registered to vote. I asked why she needed that information. She said that she wanted to register my mother to vote locally.
Now my mother couldn't even recognize me, her only daughter. So I doubted she would be able to make an informed choice between the candidates and issues. But when I pointed this out to the Director, she said something like, "If she hasn't been declared legally incompetent, she has the right to vote." Apparently, the center provided "helpers" to assist the seniors in making their choices. One can only imagine the results of that brilliant plan.
I told the woman that if my mother needed any help with voting, I would be the one to help. And if they went any further to register my mother to vote that I would sue. I never heard another word.
The American people need to demand reform in their voting regulations. We need proper identification at the polls. And only immediate family should be allowed to assist with the voting of disabled people. Until we demand these changes, we'll continue to have voting fraud and stolen electons.
It is also illegal to rat out CIA operatives and guess what, nothing is happening on that. So foul play happens on both sides of the fence, doesn't it? The USA seems to have more demons than saints.
hey put her in gharge of p.t.at the home she would make the lazy dead butts move !!!!!
Kara,
If you are really a republican than bravo for your willingliness to break ranks. I am a regisered republican but have never voted along party lines.
While I have concerns about McCain, I just have not seen enough substance from Obama to justify my voting for him. His "message" sounds great to me also. But given his relatively brief, somewhat obscure, and sometimes conflicting history I just can't cast my ballot with the "hope" that he will prove an effective leader.
To Nicks point above, only history can judge the worth of a politician. McCain's history may be a bit shady, but no more so than other politician's. And at least he has a long history to vet. So instead of allowing party lines to guide me, I will follow th idiom "better tha devil you know than the devil you don't".
Not sure which republican Senator you worked for, but can you actually name 10 Senators who haven't had past ties to shady people? Don't be fooled thinking Obama is Mr. Clean, no politician is - least of all one the main-stream media has already annointed and goes to great lengths to protect and promote. My father was a local politican (Township Councilman in the Philly burbs) in his 20's and retired shortly after I was born(I was the 4th child). When old enough to ask him why he didn't continue he explained that he had reached the point at which he would have to begin sacrificing his morals and ethics in order to rise through the party ranks. You can't stay clean and succeed in corrupt organizations. People will never trust you - you are the nail that sticks-up - and those get hammered down.
We Americans that understand right from wrong, will only put up with the lies so long. If need be will will put forth an effort to boycot every publication, every media source, every offical that hinders the truthful out come of voter fraud, and stacked election ballots.
73 times registerd, for one mans name. Paid off in cigerrettes and drink. This is old Chicago Capone style voting.
Dems loved slavery in 1850s-1865 and have tried to recrerate it since 1967. Welfare is better than slavery for them. Because we all pay for it with taxes.
Do what is right vote for America, not for Democrats or the DNC.
Kara; If you ever was a Rep it was as a RINO. RINOs bail and wail at the sound of a new best friends offer of cash for them.
Obamas plans that he has been spouting came from the Lexington project of John McCain June 26 2008, in Lexington Mass.
They (DNC & Obama) have reworded some and miss read and use to malaign the GOP ticket with. But these Ideas where John McCains not ever Barak Obamas. See it at WWW.McCain.com. Be a leader not a follower of my debt and bad promises that will hurt America and all Americans. Black and White.
Posted by Mark 09:47 AM, 10/15/2008
It is also illegal to rat out CIA operatives and guess what, nothing is happening on that. So foul play happens on both sides of the fence, doesn't it? The USA seems to have more demons than saints.
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Mark I fully agree and so do many of us in the GOP. One step though at a time, first lets get McCain elected, then take care of business with those that have lied to us.
Posted by kara 07:33 AM, 10/15/2008
I'm a Republican supporting Obama this time around. You just have to look at the messages on this board to understand why so many of us are breaking ranks.
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Kara if you think Obamas messages have so much substance then your a RINO. Obama and the DNC have copied and rephrased McCains Lexington Project, dated June 26th 2008 in Lexington Mass., to be theirs. What they also could use against McCain, they miss used and malaigned the ticket with.
I have voted Republican 40 years now and only twice not for President. But also not for another party.
I wonder where the posts go that Ohio.com does not want posted, go????
Posted by Sue 05:44 AM, 10/15/2008
Doug... CNN did not post that. Whoever made the video doesn't even take credit anywhere, but it most certainly was not CNN. The fact that you thought it CNN was tells me about your naivete.
Take a class to learn about the internet. You can learn how to better judge the content you find on websites. Everything on it is not necessarily a fact. Anybody can post almost anything they want.
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Sue you are wrong and Wright. The person posting it does not work for CNN, video in video is CNNs and he said he would meet unconditionally with them to talk. WaWrong. you never meet with out some ground work laid out, period. because you loose face and barganing position.
I think its HILARIOUS how the Republicans are trying to force this issue of Obama and his supporters of trying to steal this election. BUSH and all his cohorts stole the last election!! How come no one is mentioning that. Obama is an educated black man, so of your "worst nightmares" and you all can't handle it. I guess putting in as President someone like McCain who was responsible for the nominal collapse of the S&L years ago is better than having a man of color in there? Does the Keating 5 ring a bell to anyone? How many people lost their LIVES savings behind McCain and his friends under handed dealing???? Hmmmmm, I wonder. Its a shame that simply because of a mans SKIN color, people don't want him in office. This just shows the IGNORANCE of many and that racism is alive and kicking in America.
It makes you wonder how many of these votes were never caught. ACORN and the Obama brown shirts are out in full force. Buy it or steal it, anything to win an election. Welcome to Chicago politics. Change you can believe in?
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Indeed. Seems the party of "Count every vote, and let every vote count," needs to add the caveat "as long as it's for a Democrat". Kind of makes their rhetoric ring hollow about "votes stolen in Ohio" in 2004, doesn't it?
Out here in Central California, our rejoinder to the hoopla in 2000 was, "Don't get too upset about the winner not taking the popular vote. If you deducted all the illegal aliens who vote (some of them multiple times), it probably came out the way it should."
Interesting to see Chicago politics brought to Ohio. Is it 1960 all over?
This is about edith kickin the crap out of george. This isn't left or right issue. Mark ..John McCain is a supporter of ACORN, look it up. It just happens that these people who are dumb enough to fill out multiple forms are low income people and will vote Democrat. This is why the right will try anything to tie OBAMA to it. The GOP is looking hopless!
Voter irregularities are not unusual in nursing homes. Even though there is supposed to be oversight, it is a farce. Too many times a confused patient is asked, "Do you want to vote for (insert name)?" The patient nods his/her head, and it's on to the next question. Someone should be videoing the process (not the ballots) to ensure that patients' rights are observed. And patients should be able to coherently acknowledge their chosen candidate. Too many times it's the candidate of the supposedly impartial poll worker. I've worked in nursing homes and have seen this done.
The media somehow keep talking about the addicts and alcoholic that is counting vote in Ohio and some how trying to discredit them. What about the addict in the white house for the last 8 years? Is rich addicts any better than a poor one? Just thought I would enlighten you of how the American public really thinks.
Am I the only one here who finds this ABSOLUTELY FREAKIN' HILARIOUS??? How hard could she have possibly hit him? If this old codger presses charges, I hope he realizes that at some point he is gonna have to stand up before a jury and explain how an old lady kicked his butt. He's more of a man than I am if he does...
Hey Ohio.com... where did my comment go? There wasn't anything controversial about it whatsoever, it was just lost in cyberspace!
I hope George Manos realizes that in pressing charges, he will have to eventually get up in front of a jury and explain how this old lady beat him up. He's more of a man than I am!
G, I want to thank you for the link to Howard Stern voter poll, very amusing but scary. Although not a surprise to me. Potential voters sometimes vote for a candidate based on looks only. Doesn't benefit the voter, so sad.
Andrew, my post was on here yesterday, then it disappeared. I stated I would vote for Bill Conte for Summit County fiscal officer. I wonder where my post has gone as well about my huge tax increase (this year's tax assessment on my home's property). Since the ABJ is endorsing Donofrio, and I refuse to keep him in office, perhaps I already have my answer! This yr. I am voting bt absentee ballot. I hope no volunteer at he elections board tries to change my vote from Conte to Donofrio!!!
Hey, Ohio.com...where did my last three comments go?
Sorry, Ohio.com I apologize, too impatient i guess. I do see my 3 comments. It just took a while.
