No not in the the Don's fine city of Akron. Why are people not downtown enjoying his tree legacy or walking around the closed malls? Remember to load the gloack and head to the lock. Also the last person to escape akron is to turn off the lights, lock the gun and bat cabinet. Where is snack plissken when you need him?

sorry load the GLOCK and head to the lock....

And Snake Plissken...

But I'm onboard with you, Akroudy.

So Ak-wrong-speling, do you plan to be the first of last one out? What makes you stay in Akron? Did you know its actually AK-Rowdy? Did you know that crime is even in the "paradises" in the world? Did you know that Abraham Lincoln was not as big of a hater as you make his picture out to be?

It's just like the sounds of crickets coming out of the Mayor's and City Council President's offices concerning the recent "hate crime" attack of the white family by the gang of black youths in the Firestone Park area.

Much like the video that was confiscated of the college kid dunking on LeBron, if Don and Marco don't admit that racial issues occur in Akron, then they never 'really' happen.

SHOT IN THE BACK, HOW ABOUT STABBED IN THE BACK BY PR SCUM SUCKERS LIKE THE URBAN LEAGUE AND NAACP.

Being shot in the back is a true sign of the rising thug mentality that is becoming more accepted by Akron (and the mayor). It's only a matter of a few years before most law abiding citizens are going to be forced to move and relocate. Leaving Akron a wasteland of section-8 housing, crime riddled streets, empty Malls and crumbling corner stores.

Baird & Whitney. Lost count on the shootings and such in that area over the last three weeks alone.
Law of the jungle over there, I guess.

Need to be over tased, actually it wasnt a hate crime for two reasons, it hasnt been legally called such, and the attack derrived from pride not hate, the phrases shouted are evidence.

That dunk on LeBron didnt happen, because this is the last time anyones gonna talk about AK!!!?, lol.

Waiting for a response from the city...maybe the Department Of Justice can investigate street thugs...! Where's the "Coalition For A Safe Community" when you need them? The silence from the city leaders is deafening. Come up off your wallets and pay the police some overtime for strict enforcement over there....

DFG, you worry about the Falls, and us taking your ish, like the Italian festival, man we out here prosperring with old bussinesses and new ones, and an upcoming movie, Cuyahoga will turn into Surburb 8 before Akron becomes your insane statement.

... because apparently "Stabbed in the Back" just isn't catchy enough anymore...

immaculate-germ,
About the pride crime. Imagine if the black youths were white youths yelling 'it's a white world' beating on an african-american family. What would you call that?
You can bet that Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson would be screaming that it was a hate crime and demanding the heads of local law enforcement. The Mayor would publicly denounce the hate crime. You know that there would be riots if nothing was done. But since it's a white family, and black thugs. We accept it because calling out the thugs would be constituted as racism.

OUCH. . .

This is where double standard comes into real purpose, see, in America white people were never down while everyone else was up, white people actually did rule the wolrd for a time with slavery, so for a white person to say "its a white wolrd" while attacking would be a totally diferent thing and you know it.

I-Germ...calling it a "pride" crime? Young man, you are out of your mind. "I'm so proud of my race I'm going to beat up this family" I've heard it all now...you always apply the most twisted backwards "logic" to situations even a 6 year old can see are wrong. There is a right and wrong in the real world. Sheesh dude, c'mon.

empowermentone1
Don't forget the Klu Klux Klan. I'm sure your a card carrying member.

Wow, you folks are tripping. Amongst yourselves is the greatest kind of hatred. Thank you for perpetuating the existance of hate between cultures. We are all one race...the human race. I didn't see where the color of the shooter or victim was cited in this story.

test

grubby, i posted this on another article yesturday

Supersaint since you asked,

Firestone Park Attack

Ignorant black youth, most likely from the Southwest side or Bloodline gang, due to the location of attack, who are still to this day hyped up on an African-American winning the election, doing horrible at respresenting why Obama became president, for equality and sharing, but not im finally up after all these years and its time to show who rules, around a celebrated and important day that everyone knows about.

ABJ Not Permitting Comments

Due to the details of the event, and the over whelming numbers of negative commenters, the editors played it safe, so not to erupt Ohio.com back into it's dying age of racial-comments, like "YBM" and "the black hoodies". A sensible move at first thought , but conflicts with American freedom, just because something is sensitive, dont numb it to non existence for none to deal with, God let us deal with dangers, for the better or worse, its our choice.

this is where my "pride crime" idea came from.

First of all, there is NO excuse for any hate crime or "pride crime" anywhere. PERIOD!

I-Germ, are you saying that African-Americans should use the history of slavery as a justification for violence against Whites? and somehow be categorized differently than the violence of White's against African-Americans? That's absurd!

Last time I checked, we had an African-American president, that I voted for. Sadly, thugs are using that as a means to perpetuate their violent reasoning.

Wow all this time I have been showing pride for myself and my family by educating myself, contributing to society, and spending time with loved ones. Had I known it was as easy as going out and beating up an unsuspecting family I could have saved a lot of time and money.

First of all, i NEVER stated that any type of crime is to be excused. AT ALL!

DFG, im saying that history's course, makes this understandable but wrong double standard, for instance, someone's grandparents did the worst things to and then slaughtered your grandparents and you found out who that someone was, wouldnt you have some deep instinct to get back?


I know, that was stated in my post yesturday.

No offense to any race, but a lot of black people only went to the polls to vote because he was black, not for what he stood for! I voted for him because I want change - even knowing there would be those using his win to act out like those thugs acted. Who cares what you call the crime - shoot the hoodlums and get 'em off the streets - ya I know, no sympathy from me.

@germy: Thanks for helping educate the ignorant. You save me so much typing with your posts. If you hadn't reposted yesterday's thoughts, I would have asked you to do so.

This man shot on Baird may have been the victim of a gang of 15-30 young males that were menacing that neighborhood all day, yesterday. There are several youth gangs out there causing problems.

I don't get it, just where was Obama mentioned in this attack and since when did young blacks need Obama to do something like this?

@gildee: Reread the post by immaculate germ. It is self-explanitory. Just read slower...

@ immaculate-germ
You have got to be kidding right? Not a hate crime get real, it would be a Huge deal if we went around saying this is a white worl , how the h*ll long do u think we would be alive?

STUPID

Stupid!

IDIOTS

world i meant

@DFG- Completely agree with you, except for the voting for Obama part!

Look people what did the guy do to get shot there are 2 sides to every story.Dont make it right that he was shot ! and it says nothing about race color or even a decription of who the shoter was ...
why do we allways go back to the race thing?
if we can get over that hump we can start to make akron a better place for all..
omg lets all grow up!!

I guess Immaculate-Germ is another of Mayor Don's bootlickers. Maybe he is a Deputy Mayor of blogging-oh wait-that's The Original Jason and The Pope. I can't imagine Akron would have 3 Deputy Mayors of blogging-but i guess we do.

@grubby: "pride crime" was very rampant in the South, causing the egual rights movement. Whites would go out and beat up/kill any "uppity" folks they found. And they claimed white pride. It is very reasonable to assume that pride crime is possible in ALL races. Immaculate Germ had a VERY valid point. Please open your mind to this difficult subject; we need your intelligence on our side, not your uptightness working against us. We share this planet/ country/city, and we MUST teach the young to love.

I lived right directly across the street from where the fp incident happened and the people who were attacked have made racist comments and done things to "hoodlums" in the area maybe they were sick of being called ni**ers everytime they walked by. And shooting someone in the back is very cowardly but obviously these young "thugs" never were taught to value human life, why aren't we lookin at their parents. I definately don't think the "thugs and gangsters" are doing ANY of these stupid acts of violence because our president is black. Maybe they feel like they are using there own type of justice with all the shootings on the East Side since the police or the mayor aren't doing anything to help the people or the neighborhoods around there.... Something to think about....

When people make disparaging racist or sexist remarks to me I laugh at their stupidity.

People who rush to violence over words only reinforce negative sterotypes and make the situation worse.

If you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.

Has the Don hired those extra police officers yet?

Oh, you mean it was just a promise so that he wouldn't be recalled....well who would have thought?

According to germs contorted logic...

"Need to be over tased, actually it wasnt a hate crime for two reasons, it hasnt been legally called such, and the attack derrived from pride not hate"

...lynchings and the holocaust were results of whites and Germans having too much pride in their "race." And they were never called "hate crimes." So germ just defended these two groups of people -- along with the racist crackonites in the other article -- for the murders they committed. Germ is so limited if something isn't called/defined as such, it doesn't exist, ie, hate crimes. Haha.

@igotsunshine, where do you get off making such outlandish remarks! Whatever would we do without our hatred? Gosh, you're evil!

Additionally.... there was never a date rape, before it was labeled as such. AND rape is fine, according to GERM, if the rapist is acting out of his pride. e.g., if he's too proud to get rejected -- in germ's world, this is fine. It's "pride rape."

If Santa Claus can deliver toys to millions of kiddies in one night, why can't the mayor be stopping each of these violent crimes as they occur! Come on now, "Donny Boy," look at the confidence placed in you, by people like Akroudy and Overtaxed. Stop letting them down, and show them that you can come through with the superpowers that they so badly want you to possess!

Moreso... if a drunk gets behind the wheel, then smashes into a family of five -- it wasn't OVI -- if he was too proud to call a cab, etc. It was OVP. Operating a Vehicle while Proud. In adherence to germ's philosophy.

Furthermore, in germ's world... it was okay for that nasty, sick-minded wench to cave in the skull of that little animal infant... strike after strike... until the splintered bones of its cranium turned it's unknowing brain into mush... since her sadistic violence stemmed from PRIDE in her stupid garden.

Ship ALL these scum bags to Lodi.

haves verses have nots...Lack of Money Root of Evil

This is by design people...by the aristocracy...Low Wages...Higher Prices,something has to give

Man it sure was a nice sunny day today huh?

What if Summit County was put on a 30 day Prohibition against Alcohol ?

Shot in the back at night on Baird Street? Can't be true, must be someone confused about the meaning of pride.

RIP, Michael Jackson. You were not strange, but this crazy world you had to deal with is strange.

The poor tend to take up arms in a very sloppy fashion, unlike the propertied, who are much more tactical (and tend to buy their weapons).

stleo...I was going to comment, but you took the words right out of my mouth.

Oh, the bigoted hypocrites and doctrinaires took down my post regarding, "That was no more of a "pride crime" than sending Jews to the gas chambers or lynching blacks from street lamps. ...This is what germ believes in. He's advocating these types of "pride crimes." Sad, so sad."

I guess their fragile PRIDE couldn't withstand the truth. Poor babies :o( Hahahaha.

VT "...lynchings and the holocaust were results of whites and Germans having too much pride in their "race." And they were never called "hate crimes." So germ just defended these two groups of people -- along with the racist crackonites in the other article -- for the murders they committed. Germ is so limited if something isn't called/defined as such, it doesn't exist, ie, hate crimes. Haha.

NO, i cleared this up with the double standard, were Whites and Germans ever down while every other race was up? NO

VT "So germ just defended these two groups of people -- along with the racist crackonites in the other article -- for the murders they committed. "

NO, i clearly said "im saying that history's course, makes this understandable but wrong double standard"

VT "Germ is so limited if something isn't called/defined as such, it doesn't exist, ie, hate crimes. Haha."

NO, i spoke in American government mentallity, no matter what God knows, its what judge/jury says. Do you think God likes the way you and other neganites act? Haha.

VT "Additionally.... there was never a date rape, before it was labeled as such. AND rape is fine, according to GERM, if the rapist is acting out of his pride. e.g., if he's too proud to get rejected -- in germ's world, this is fine. It's "pride rape.""
VT "yada yada i got two more dumbly stated comments that will look even sillier once im shutted up"

NO, as i stated before, were those groups ever down while everyone else was up? do they have an understandable but wrong double standard? NO, and dont ever try to make it seem like i deem these actions and especially rape ok ak?

VT "I guess their fragile PRIDE couldn't withstand the truth. Poor babies :o( Hahahaha."

NO, They just look at your negative uneducated arse and think 1.Wow 2.If immaculate was on right now he would shut this fool up 3.He just plain dosent deserve to talk.

supersaint, yeah i know what you mean, you stopped me from the keyboard on an ocasion so no problem.

yea Gildee yeah.

honestgirl, actually to get technical, you would be around for as long as the law protects your freedom of speech and the officers protect your right of not being violated, proof, there are still skin heads today with confederate flags who do what your visioning, to be honest.

Socrates, you guessed wrong, im for the good (not winning) side always, during the recall The Don was the good side, so deal with that and the loss ya'll suffered. I cant imagine the great philosopher Socrates would be so dim witted now in days.

R.I.P MJ

About the Firestone Park attack: That Marshall character must be one tough SOB. Attacked by a mob of teens and he looks pretty unscathed to me.

Germans felt they were "down" while everyone else was "up" because of the Treaty of Versailles. I guess you don't know history. They were teenagers who attack them... when were they "down?"

Stating that it's "understandable" for the cowards to gang up on the family IS defending them. You empathize and support them.

It's not what they judge/jury says, it's common sense. *awaits for you to defend OJ now* lol Neganites? You're far more negative than I. I don't feel mob violence is "understandable" against a defenseless family. How can they have "pride" when it was 20ish against 3 or 4? That's cowardice. Where does the pride derive from? Warped, ghetto culture would only deem that pride worthy. But, you "understand" their actions.

Socially awkward people have always been "down" when interacting with girls. I have a feeling you know this firsthand. So your reasoning would allow rapists to be classified into a "group" that was down. Liberals treat alcoholism like disease, so they could easily be considered a "victim" group of people. Those thugs were never slaves so you can stop acting like they were ever "down." You just apply your biased "down" sympathy to groups you like. You have no consistency. Ergo, invalid.

No, they took my post down because of discrimination - just like they won't allow anyone to comment on the main article. I have the same right to free speech as a pseudo intellect, as yourself. Moreso, I don't even believe in "hate" crimes per se. It's a form of attempted thought control. However, if they're going to always whine about it -- it should be applied even across the board. But it's not.

I-Germ, you're gonna have to admit you were way wrong on this one. It's okay to admit mistakes, especially on the internet where nothing matters. Calling a mob attack on people standing in their yard "understandable" is just morally wrong.

Sigh...i thought you'd be atleast smart enough (or didnt act so ignorant) for me not to break it down into so small bits for you like a kid, atleast you got whites dont have a reason.

Germans reason:
I have to pay a debt of war.....SO WHAT YOUR FAULT!

Socially awkward rapist reason:
Im not so good at being normal or with proper way of dealing with girls.....SO WHAT YOUR FAULT!

Blacks Understandable but STILL WRONG (as i stated) reasons for double standard:
Made slaves over many years, children sold, beaten, killed, noone else in American history had it worse, left with a bad start to a free world.....WOAH TOUGH NOT YOUR FAULT!

Gang of teens thought's
Its about to be Independence Day soon and Obama, the President, is black like us! After all them years of how we were treated were finally on top, im so full of pride! No what, since were in a group so big we should demostrate who rules and get back at America!
Pride Crime!

It didnt happen on a day no where near the holidays like
Yo i hate white people, ima call close to fifty other black dudes and we gone mob a white family while calling them bad white names!
Pack mentality isnt about one on one, so you cant refer to a pack of wolves as cowards when they hunt ak. The pride derrives from finally being up (black president in present) from always being down (a horrible than most past) SO YES, i understand why, BUT NO, i know it was wrong.

Neganite - Person who lives in the City of Akron most commonly, who takes all Akron news regaurdless if its good or bad, and complains and seek only to make more negativty.

Save your right to post without being remembered as "one who changed his tone on Ohio.com because germ set em straight"

grubby, if you havent read my full statements and comprehended them for their actual meaning, just hush because im a nice person and is warning you right now.

I didnt say "a mob attack on people standing in their yard "understandable"" I said "history's course, makes this understandable but wrong double standard" anyone else.?!

Huh @ "atleast you got whites dont have a reason."
... who's uneducated?

You kept saying, "SO WHAT YOUR FAULT!" What does this mean? Learn to put a sentence together. Plus, it seems that I've angered you. Good. Don't personalize it though - I'm used to controlling lessers' emotions =D

"Blacks Understandable but STILL WRONG (as i stated) reasons for double standard:
Made slaves over many years, children sold, beaten, killed, noone else in American history had it worse, left with a bad start to a free world.....WOAH TOUGH NOT YOUR FAULT!"

...Native American Indians, American Chinese, Hispanics, etc etc etc had it worse. Your whining and sense of entitlement is too predicable.

Making excuses @ independence day/reasoning why. Hahaha. Then you call for pride crime. Most of the slaves in the world are black muslims enslaving other blacks. Are you -proud- of that? Violently attacking a family isn't "demostrating"... geeze... how "ignant." Additionally... obama isn't "black."

I like how you compared them to wolves. You're right! They are feral animals! First thing you said that makes sense.

Wolf boy, you'd need to magically gain 100 IQ points before you could even begin to *think* of setting anyone straight. Your 1/2 legible posts has more misspellings than you have reasons to laud cowardly violence. The more you type, the more you expose the delusions of your diseased brain. :o(

Oh no... now he's "warning" people. More detachment from reality and common sense. You rarely make sense and constantly contradict yourself. Light years from having any "power" to threaten people. Besides germnoid: this is a message board. Not a substitute for what you lack and crave in the real world.

El contradicto...

"I didnt say "a mob attack on people standing in their yard "understandable"" I said "history's course, makes this understandable but wrong double standard" anyone else.?!"

...First he said he didn't say it. Next 'sentence' is admits to saying it, but throws in "history's course." It boils down to it "understanding" what they did, and "history's course" is just to justify.

That came from you not mentioning a reason for whites as you did Germans and rapist.
duh dummy!

So what, as in, who should care, and, your fault, as in, you cause your own problem
duh dummy!

How in the world did those groups have it worse???
explain but i bet you cant dummy!

That comment is has nothing to do with America or this situation, and also shows your anger you've developed towards me, with your long existing prejudice of black people and how they talk. Additionally... Obama has a dad from Kenya and a White American mom and he was born in America, Black is a person of African descent who is born in America and referred to as African American, since Kenya is in Africa and he was born in America, that makes him Black
duh dummy!

Boy you sure a mad racist AINTCHU? lol
duh dummy!

Dumb Clown, you need to lose 1,000 racism points before you could even begin to *think* your words are worth anything. Your 1/2 minded mind is getting whooped, The more I type, the more I improve your sad sad insane brain. :o)

@vanilla Thunder: WOW! You still don't get it. Immaculte-germ may speak in slang, but tat is no excuse to pretend stupidity. You know what he is saying, don't twist his meaning into crappola.

Very clearly: The young men in question feel like it is their turn to feel the joy of being on top of the world. They come from a race of people who have been down so long that evil looks like up to them. Simple thought to understand. Germy wasn't saying these kids had any right to feel this way. He was just explaining to me WHY they feel the way they do.

A crime of pride is easy to understand. He wasn't saying pride crime is ok. He was trying to give us the perspective of the criminals.

Quit the personal attacks when you don't understand the conversation.

@ Germ

No one else in America had it worse? How about those who lived here before we got here? How prosperous is the Native American race, bottled up in poverty all together in the most worthless land in America?

Any group, with enough research into their historic timeline, will have had a point in history where they were "down while those around them were up." You speak of Blacks and Whites as a whole, respectively. The world is tribal regardless of what color you are, it always has been. Groups of Whites have dominated and enslaved others, same with Browns and Blacks. There was slavery in Africa long before the Whites came with pretty necklaces to fool African leaders into trading their own into slavery. But yes, I know, Whites are at fault today because 200 years ago they knew Jedi mind tricks to make these trades happen on unsuspecting African leaders...

The Browns in Latin America have had it as bad and likely worse than Blacks. They are, for the most part, still down to this day in ways the Blacks here couldn't imagine. At least today here Blacks have opportunity, there they do not. Yet instead of taking advantage of this, many Blacks will choose to linger in the Yesterday and prove to Whites that they have exceeded equality and now have carte blanche to trample the human rights of anyone they want.

To close I'll take a page from your book and put a neat disclaimer down to magically remove all potentially offensive meaning behind this argument: Slavery was wrong, and is wrong. I sound cold toward it in order to put into perspective a tiny snapshot of slavery's role in the HUMAN race as it compares to the Black race alone. In all seriousness, in no way do I condone it.

@germy: let's get together a play some pool.

Oh yo... my "warning" worked. more proof that Vanilla is a sick joke like what his picture would say. Your dont know what sense is cause you spent it at a store for loons and are doing horrible. Funny how our laws gives you plenty "power" to make threats which could get us locked up and yet you make that statement. Joke of a Joe: this message board is about to be your grave. I lack your weird visions and crave to be more like me and further from you.

My original post that it came from, which you can see that i didnt just throw in was posted at 12:52 pm yesturday

First of all, i NEVER stated that any type of crime is to be excused. AT ALL!

DFG, im saying that history's course, makes this understandable but wrong double standard, for instance, someone's grandparents did the worst things to and then slaughtered your grandparents and you found out who that someone was, wouldnt you have some deep instinct to get back?

f-o-o-l-!

I said the double standard is understandable.

Sorry to break into the middle of your fight but @germ, your wrong that black people were the only ones treated like that in history....Non Catholics during the Middle Ages, and more recently by both Black and White in the Military, the American Indian. Hmmm, think we (the collective country) would tolerate a gang of Indians beating up someone. Do you think it would be called a hate crime? This event in FP, plain and simple, is a hate crime.

Why is it that we CANNOT comment on the 'Akron police investigate teen mob attack on family' article?????

Veilsix, i know all that you said, but did you know i was talking specific and exclusivly about American history? Other countries problems dont effect middle class America, looking through middle class american eyes, you know its viewed that blacks were done the worse. I thought about the indians before i made that post, they had a fighting chance, black kids were born and witnessing these events. Now stop, your an actual smart person.

Supersaint, i'd love to, everytime a cue ball shows up on an article lets knock to the hole. lol

ForestHill, if there mind set was like those black teens, then yeah i'd call it a pride crime also, though like it should be clear after what ive been posting, it shouldnt be tolerated, but i understand why it would happen.

Roxie, read my first long post on this page, it explain probably why.

Wow, I've reduced germ to name calling and the racist card. Again, predicable. I've said not one thing racist, instead -- crime-ist. When you severely lack substance, you attempt to get me to defend myself against being a racist. I won't play your game; I know this technique. I'm above it and anyone who tries to employ it. To close, I would have to care about you in order for you to anger me. Those who attacked that family deserved a worst fate than that fawn. Many wouldn't care, as I don't.

stleo, that wasn't merely "slang" it was horrific grammar. Besides, I brought it up because he's throwing around the "uneducated" card. If one's going to do this, they should be able to express their ideas in a readable form. But I guess your tunnel vision missed this. You were too busy asking your new boyfriend out on a date, to play pool. I wasn't talking to you so shew, and save your "comment gang mentality" for someone else. I addressed everything you said. How stale. Yawn.

Wow, I've reduced Vinilla Thunder to being completely off the arguement and hitting on little unimportant things, so i guess i'll follow him.

" Violently attacking a family isn't "demostrating"... geeze... how "ignant."
I like how you compared them to wolves. You're right! They are feral animals! First thing you said that makes sense.
Wolf boy, you'd need to magically gain 100 IQ points before you could even begin to *think* of setting anyone straight. "

hmm...does this look offensive?

I dont really care if you are racist, its just funny making you mad and make statements that show your anger.

@ Vanilla,

Why are you so angry? There is a lot of resentment on this post. A crime is a crime it doesn't matter who commits it. I don't understand why are we so stuck in a racial quagmire debate about which racial identity suffered the greatest harm?!?!?! Second, the assertion that these youth were somehow filled with identity "pride" because of the election of the first black president is narrow-minded and is a baseless assumption. Vanilla, your not degrading anyone, but yourself-- your animus is on full display; your words are so venomous. Until you free your soul from such hate and resentment it will continue to consume your life. However, on another note, this communtiy needs to go through a healing process; the poisonous racial divisions in this community is disgusting! The things you people are actually debating aren't fit for a dog fight. Where is the class? No matter if your black or white we all can agree that families should be safe in their own homes. We also can agree that no one has the right to use any type of deadly force unless faced with such force. All you see are the divisions on this post--no one has suggested ways that could possibly bring the communities together which could ultimately make the city safer for everyone. People please contain yourselves! I just pray that your children somehow grow to be better people because America is getting more diverse everyday. We die in wars together, we share a common history whether for better or worse-- for the life of me I don't understand why we can't all be adults and open a positive dialogue without infesting it with ridiculus racial stereotypes or ignorant narrow-minded inferences based upon faulty assumptions.

@vt: I know YOU wouldn't know this, but Germy and I have a very contemptuous relationship on Ohio.com. He and I are always argueing here. I asked him to play pool as a personal joke. Only he will get it. I was defending his statements because YOU don't undrstand his posts. When the man is wrong, I'm the first to yell at him. In this case, he makes sense. I know you won't understand the things we posted here; I'll stop trying to explain to you.


@germy: You might need to lose the slang for awhile; the fools take it as ignorance.

Vanilla Thunder, you are now done like Ice, he perfectly understood what my intelect was immiting, unlike others, namely you, tell you what, when someone starts paying me for my typing son Ohio.com, i will improve it ak.

Dontae exactly, i know there is a very good chance i could be wrong, it was just my take on it when i was asked, just like the police, i dont call it a hate crime, see this article right here just proved why ABJ didnt let us comment on it, but look, we now have finally seen the errors of our ways in the end, like a South Park episode. lol

well noted and will do supersaint.

Monkeying my word structure. lol...

If it was offensive, you're too blame. Take responsibility. I was reciprocating your (offensive) tone and your own words. I used one slang word compared to how many of yours??? You tried to insult my intelligence, before I mentioned yours. So soon we forget, haha. Your compared them to wolves, not I.

I've already addressed the "making me angry" thing. Still going in circles, per usual. Incapable of seeing the truth. Deluding your brain to massage your ego. On a side note - once again using my idea. However, you're stuck on it.... over and over again.

I don't really care if you falsely call me a racist or not. It just shows me that you use it as a crutch. SINCE, I never said a racist thing =o) Unlike you, ie, "cue ball."

AND THE WINNER BY DEFAULT, AND NEW CHAMPION...

Germ- Then my only issue is with the term "understandable". In this day the only violence that is understandable is done in self defense.

I'll assume that "understandable" means there are clear pre incident indicators throughout American history which have led to the state of things today. I can agree with that. But not with labeling crimes of anger as understandable.

Activating Hard Knocks Trap Card: I lived most of my formative years in Nicaragua so I missed most of the racial tensions here in the US. My dad moved us back here to his hometown in 97, I was sixteen. Not 2 months went by when my 2 younger brothers and I were walking from Regal theater in Chapel Hill, a car stops behind us from which 8 or more (8 were arrested, if they consisted of more I don't remember) guys ranging from 21-25 years jumped out and welcomed us back to the US with a good old fashioned Ghetto Stomp. We had no clue who they were or why it happened. Yes we are white, and they were black. Yes today I see the timeline of the "why" this happened, but I do not see anything understandable about my 13 year old brother's jaw broken clean in half, or the ice and bandages I wore around my head for a week.

We came from a place where black skin meant nothing (there it is the Mestizo/Indian race that oppressed) different from being white. We came with no racist tendencies, hell we even let the charges drop before the trial even started.

I'm not saying I'm bitter and racist today, but it did change some things in my brain. I wouldn't have crossed the street back then for a group of what some idiots call "thuggish" Black guys, but today you won't catch me on that street at all.

Anyways, my point in relating this story is though I understand WHY Blacks have been angy, their crime is not understandable especially to those who've been on the receiving end. I understand WHY I get mad at my dog when he pees inside, but to beat him for it would NOT be understandable.

Donny... I'm not angry. There's a sharp contrast in my typing when I am. Perhaps you're wanting me to be angry and seeing as such? I'm very serene. You stated...

"The things you people are actually debating aren't fit for a dog fight."

...but you're debating it, too? Hmmm.

You attack me out of nowhere, then go on to preach about coming together?

leo, I "understand" his posts... I just disagree with them. I "understood" this argument long ago, probably before there was an Ohio.com. You just don't understand that I'm disagreeing with his opinion. Nay not understanding. I assumed this was tacit. Capisce?

Since what year was "cue ball" races??? Cartoons need to quit saying it to then i guess. Then im take "Monkeying" as racist since blacks were called monkeys. (If you were not talking about that, then what did you mean by "I never said a racist thing =o) Unlike you")

Dude, atleast three people KNOW your are angry and have commented on it, and they all have sense, im SURE everyone else you will read will think/KNOW you are angry.

Beside all that, im am tired of your fake dark ages typing accent, must be where your brain is at.

AND THE WINNER BY DEFAULT, AND NEW CHAMPION... ALL EXCEPT VANILLA DONE AND THE NEGANITES!!!

don...

"Second, the assertion that these youth were somehow filled with identity "pride" because of the election of the first black president is narrow-minded and is a baseless assumption"

...Huh, wtf? I wasn't the one who said this. Try to discern from who said what, proof read. Or, something. Maybe you just threw in what someone else said, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of your diatribe against me?

OH MY GAWD!

This is a debate nobody is going to win.

It's pretty simple you see. Nobody has a right, for any reason outside of self defense, to attack and assault another human being. Black, white, asian, male, female, gay, straight, purple, whatever. There is no excuse and this should not divide us into groups.

Any threat to the community should be treated as such, and they need to be held accountable.

Good thoughts, Dontae. You made me pause and think on things and I thank you for having a level head. You made quite a few good points. I think I have been kidding myself for quite awhile. It wasn't until I read your post that it dawned on me that I really do not want to live in a mixed neighborhood at all. I just don't think I realized I really felt that way. Thanks for the insight.

It ends with this need: WE MUST LOVE EACH OTHER!!!

Main Entry: Monkey
Function:
verb
Inflected Form(s):
mon·keyed; mon·key·ing
Date:
1859
transitive verb
: mimic, mock

...you were mimicking my sentence structure.

I'm the neeeeeeeeeew champ, since you went on and on about me being a racist. But couldn't name one thing. But I wouldn't accept such a title... it would be unbecoming. You can have it and revel in such distinction. lol ^__*

I SAID: WE MUST LEARN TO LOVE EACH OTHER! Now, go stand in the corner until you understand.

Typed that before your "love each other" post showed up. Besides... it's a round room :op

Vanilla,

To put it in simple terms the way you tried to degrade Germ and make him somehow feel intellectually inferior was uncalled for. We are so beyond identity politics--e.g.(that conversation is not fit for a dog fight). We have to challenge ourselves to think beyond "us" versus "them" because at the end of the day we still live in the same community and undoubtedly what happens down the street will ultimately affect what's up the street. No one wants their child playing near a park where people are being shot in the back; similarly no one wants to be attacked in their home by a mob of unruly teenagers. Lets stop pointing fingers and find a way where our communities can co-exist. How can we have cooperation among ourselves if some whites remain unsympathetic to the plight of African Americans in this country and the continued existence of inequality in our society. Similarly, some blacks have to stop pulling the race card everytime the police try to do their job to make OUR communities safer- how can anyone come to the table and talk when they are repeatedly being called a racist. I'm not here to insult anyone, but the reality of the matter is that we must still live together.

Announcer: And Vinilla Thunder walks off in defeat *trying* to keep his head up, if you want a replay of that match, just look at the posts for the clear cut victory!!

Tune in next time for more one of a kind entertainment seen no where else but Ohio-dot-coommm!!!

To put it in simple terms the way you tried to degrade Germ and make him somehow feel intellectually inferior was uncalled for.

...He called me "uneducated." He began the whole "intellectually inferior" thang.

For a replay: reread the posts where germ called me a racist incessantly, yet couldn't name one example. Crystal clear.......

"Boy you sure a mad racist AINTCHU? lol"

See actually i asked you. lol

But im learning to love you and other neganites.

Ladies ang gents, the loser has been taken away in an Wahmbulance... Seems he got confused finding a corner in this round room.

@immaculate-germ stated:
-"...hush because im a nice person and is warning you right now.";
-"Your dont know what sense is cause you spent it at a store for loons and are doing horrible.";
-"Wow, I've reduced Vinilla Thunder to being completely off the arguement and hitting on little unimportant things, so i guess i'll follow him.";
-"Dontae exactly, i know there is a very good chance i could be wrong, it was just my take on it when i was asked, just like the police, i dont call it a hate crime...";
-"This is where double standard comes into real purpose, see, in America white people were never down while everyone else was up, white people actually did rule the wolrd for a time with slavery, so for a white person to say "its a white wolrd" while attacking would be a totally diferent thing and you know it.";

Regardless of the complete lack of logic and no supporting argument, could anyone just decipher this for me? On topic, am I accurate in summarizing that "Germ's" opinion is black-on-white crime is understandable based on past slavery nearly 150 years ago that was initiated by the (black) Africans? Let us not forget that whites/Europeans endured slavery for hundreds of years well before the African race. So who can I beat up/stab/shoot that would be currently "understandable", Germ? At least Vanilla Thunder speaks truth...not emotion.

At this posting: we are over 90 posts here, yet the ABJ lists it as 60. Can they not count, or have they already determined that we need less attention on this subject, therefore, lying about the numbers, to downplay things?

@BW: Shut up. you make less sense than the rest.

That wasn't the only time... many more... besides, that question was rhetorical. Still, you two haven't named one thing I said that was racist. I say "two" because stleo seems lonely and won't mind his own. Or, he senses his lover needs help and is attempting to come to his rescue... like his avatar. I attempted to make peace with stleo with that lighthearted "round room" post. But, he attacks me afterwards. He's either bitter, addicted to conflict, truly crushing on germ or a combo of any of the above.

Ty, BW. I knew I wasn't the only non-moron.

@stleo

Thanks. I just copy/pasted Germ's quotes. I will shut up and watch your train wreck now.

OH..THEY ARE LYING STLEO....

and i want to know where our Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons are.....

Why is it only people posting comments on line, instead of the police force (or anyone who matters) doing something to ensure it doesnt happen again....which is WILL

if ANY ONE is FROM Firestone Park......let me know if you have ever heard of the "Bloodline"..... jsut curious

I'm a man of european decent and I feel down in a neighborhood full of afro-european descendants therefore I can commit crimes against afroeuropeans
randomly and it would not be considered a hate crime. Is that the way it goes? Only if I attack pridefully?

The true problem is poor people (european or afroeuropean) not controlling their kids and residents not taking action or responsibility for their neighborhood.

There should not be a distinction between a hate crime--all violent crimes involve hate. If you suspect a drug house--report it. If you don't like a young person's behavior--tell them. Keep your homes clean and sit out on them porches. Walk that dog before you turn in for the night. Leave the porchlight on. All of these add to the betterment of a neighborhood. You are not only the victums but also the perpetuators (spelling?).

What's your beef, Nathan? Sounds like you're on the right track. What's the abj got to do with it.

c'mon, stleo, you're not a newbie. That's rolling 24-hour number.

As long as these "thugs" keep killing each other thats fine with me, less taxpayers money spent on jailing them, not too mention less welfare money to dish out.

@minna Wade: huh? w-w-w-what?

@minna wade : we were at 60 yesterday. It isn't a rolling thing. The writers I know at the ABJ tell me this site is heavily controlled, for national perception and appeal.

Vanilla thunder: you gay remarks are the most offensive yet. It actually IS my business, because I was the one to ask Immaculate-Germ for his opinion on this subject, on another site. It was his answer to me that he re-posted here. F-off weinie-boy.

No need to be offended (or ashamed). I don't care who began it... you weren't part of the particular convo. Instead you just sat on the sideline, cheerleading. You asked for us to all get along. I thought "fine" and typed something insouciant. But you got protective and reneged when you saw your "partner" was still bickering. Watch out germ... he's the possessive, controlling type.

No need to be offended (or ashamed). I don't care who began it... you weren't part of the particular convo. Instead you just sat on the sideline, cheerleading. You asked for us to all get along. I thought "fine" and typed something insouciant. But you got protective and reneged when you saw your "partner" was still bickering. Watch out germ... he's the possessive, controlling type.

No need to be offended (or ashamed). I don't care who began it... you weren't part of the particular convo. Instead you just sat on the sideline, cheerleading. You asked for us to all get along. I thought "fine" and typed something insouciant. But you got protective and reneged when you saw your "partner" was still bickering. Watch out germ... he's the possessive, controlling type.

Twasn't meant to be posted three times. This site kept indicating that it wasn't going through. Sorry.

VT - I happen to know stleo and can GUARANTEE you that he is not a f@g, g@y, etc. I am positive of this.

And the fact that you posted the exact same thing 3 times in a row just shows impatience for the site to catch up... and your impatience may be part of the source of your anger.

I am not on here very often. I can follow this fairly easily - except for why it is so hard for people to get germ's point. His point is clear to those who look for it.

I also can't understand how the mention of a cue ball, considering the pool reference, becomes racist. I suppose some people think 8-ball is racist because the 8-ball is black and the cue ball is white... duh... it's a GAME!

For those who don't get it (vt included), whatever else I have to add probably wouldn't help your "vision".

Quite defensive. You're probably him, under a different name. You say you can follow along? You missed it where I said I understood his point, but disagree. I guess you can't follow along that well huh? Gave yourself too much credit, didcha? lol

LOL at VT.

Not defensive, just stating facts and my opinion.

No, I am not stleo, but I do know who he is.

No - I understand that you THINK you understand germ and disagree with his point of view as you understand it. I just am not sure you DO understand as well as you think you do.

Give myself too much credit? Nope, doubt it. I am an intelligent woman with a college degree. I do not see myself as racist - I think there is good and bad in all races and that we should all work harder to understand and get along with each other.

Personally - I think the best races were won by Speed Racer! (He had a cute chimp too - and no, that is NOT a racist comment!) :-D

Your opinions are not facts. Just as you accuse me of not understanding his POV. You simp, simply can't "understand" that somebody can disagree and not be wrong. Since, only your point of view is correct.

That college degree went to you head... oh wow, big college degree huh? Who doesn't have a degree these days?

Another person attacking me out of the blue, then preaching about everyone getting along. If you're gonna be a hypocrite, at least be an original hypocrite.

I'll ask one more time: what will another 20-30 newly hired cops do? Over 3 shifts that amounts to about 8-10 per day, 1 per ward. Do you think that will have any impact on anything? Get real.

Thanks for the shout out, Socrates. Make sure to contribute meaningful and not general at all dialogue like "I support the police" to this story.

GENTLEMEN! Enough!

Great eyes... they go with the blue nicely.

VT - "Your opinions are not facts."
omg... another example of things being twisted. I didn't say my opinions were facts!
I said "just stating facts and my opinion."

FACT - It is a fact that stleo is not g@y.
FACT - It is a fact that your post appeared 3 times.
OPINIONS -
*People who post the same thing over and over are impatient.
*I am not convinced you truly understand the points germ and stleo are trying to make.
*I also didn't say that my point of view is the only one that can be correct. None of us are attacking you. We are trying to have intelligent conversation and debate.
*If you knew more about me, you would know that I am not a hypocrite and I have originality - that is YOUR OPINION.

"That college degree went to you head... oh wow, big college degree huh? Who doesn't have a degree these days?".
OPINION - you seem to enjoy attacking others.
FACT - there are a lot of adults who do not have a college degree.
OPINION - a lack of a degree does not make people stupid - just different. I was only trying to tell you a little something about myself, but again, you missed what I was saying. No problem - I'm not that concerned with your personal opinion of my personality.

Hope I made what I see as fact vs opinion clear enough for you. Now... it's after 8:00 on a Friday night. Time to have some fun away from the computer.

Hope everyone has a fun weekend - with NO violence!

Temper, temper.

¤Gay/bi... whatever. You're not GOD, and don't know for sure. Are you with him 24/7?

¤I explained why it was posted three times, and apologized. It's not my fault this site is craptastic.

¤You insinuated that you believe only your opinion is right -- since when I explained for the umpty-umpth time, I understood (held an opposing view) -- but you couldn't accept this. Rather, condescended as if it was impossible for me to comprehend. Just as your little belittling "fact vs opinion" charade.

¤You and others did attack me, reread whatcha spewed... behaving as if I'm a dolt, duh-ing me, et cetera. Whom did I attack, that didn't draw first blood? Not one.

¤I don't have the stats in front of me, but a HIGH percentage of American's leaving high school will have at least some form of higher education. Where did I ever suggest those without a degree are stupid? Project much? Hahaha @ saying they're "different." Geeshus.

¤You have a peculiar approach about telling me a lil something about yaself.

....One thing I do know about you and the others ~ you dwell. The original point to this thread is long dead. Nevertheless, you all keep bringing it back up. I heard his and concurring views - THEN I LET IT GO. You guys cannot. Since I don't agree. Like spoilt children who pout when they don't get their way. Boo hoo. Sniff, sniff. Release - let it go.

I hope you have a fun weekend too! Of course with no violence! God bless! Mwah mwah! =)

pac man really seems to be against the hiring of more cops...you mention it nearly every thread. If the city had more cops, the could put guys on special duty concentrating in places where violence flares up, like right now the east side. Stop these armed idiots before they do the crime.....the criminals are not just appearing out of the blue with guns...we all want the same peaceful neighborhoods that can be a reality

If the gangsta say leave his car alone...you better let him move it. I wonder when people will know when someone is serious?

THE car was illegally parked there.Why does he feel he has the right to keep it whereever he wants it? Is he above the law?
@BRIGHT STAR; what exactly does your post mean? If he wouldve moved his car ,like most normal people wouldve done ,none of this would have happened.This is sad.And while we have Sharpton coming to Akron ,maybe he can take a look at this story too!Hell we can keep him busy in Akron for months!

*scratches head* I don't see any mention of a car in the article.

LOL vanilla,,if your meaning from my post,im talking about the guy who got beat into a coma,for asking the idiot to move his car that had been illegally parked there for 4 days.

I think the ever brilliant brightstar is referencing the article about the man who was put into a coma because he had a car towed off his property, the car belonged to a four time convicted felon who knocked him unconscious. Now the big tough guy is on the run from the police like a cowardly little girl...I guess he can punch an old man but is afraid of the po-po. That's pretty typical of street thugs, attack the defenseless, people that can't fight back.

Oh yeah, another story where the ABJ decided comments were not needed, oh well it's their website.

Akron: Welcome To The Jungle, Enter At Your Own Risk.

Now now Vanila, who are you angry with?
If you knew how the parks are reducing the deer polulation, i'm sure you would be as offended.
I i were the "Wench", i'd offer you some stew.

Oops...if I

ABJ is being rediculous with the commenting. Why is it that over HALF of the new stories they are posting about violence, etc, we cannot comment on?

Oh ty... I missed the car/coma story - I'll have to look for it.

Nothing huntr. That was yesterday, aka, an eternity ago.

No one ever gets shot in the city....(eyeroll)

this site is a joke they let people call dead poeple crack heads but when race is brought up they censor everything.

immaculate-germ: I see Akron Public Schools have taught you well. If "Pride Crime" can only come from those held down down, look out for our Jewish brothers. They have the record for being slaves and persecution in all parts of the world. So why isn't there gangs of Jewish teens roaming Shaker Hts, Bainbridge, and Hunting Valley committing the same types of crime? Your "reseasoning" is flawed in that you fail to make them (the attackers) responsible for their actions. Blaming others for what happened 300 years ago is being weak and simple-minded. Can any of these "pride criminals" even trace their family history back that far? My brother, quit fighting what has happened, work at being educated, and achieve your goals. Then hire a white guy to cut your grass while you sip ice tea poolside.

"Ayers, a four-time convicted felon.....out on parole....."

Once again, the ABJ denies comments on a touchy issue, black on white crime.

I guess the real question is why this silverback was out of prison in the first fugging place!

The Akron police said the shooter loved the shootee. No hate here. Yup, you shoot someone you like.

Where are the prosecutors and police? Are they doing anything or they handling this like the Firestone Park beatings?

Vote them all out and get new people in office. Hire a chief of police that will manage the men to arrest the law breakers.

shoot, ask questions later, on the prowl...

germ irish catholics were down to the level of the blacks and never took part of any "pride crimes"

I remember Akron when I was a child ..going to Firestone Blvd. and watching the Parade every year now you cant even watch the fireworks with out being beat up by a bunch of hoodlums .Which by the way WAS a hate crime.Like it was said over and over on here ,if this were blacks being attacked by white youths Akron 4 sure would have been visited by the Reverend and his NAACP peeps.I am so glad we moved out of Akron its just a mini Compton now.

@thunder31:You give this guy to much credit by calling him a silverback. Silverbacks are much smarter than this guy.

@htlong: If you believe that, then you have never been to the southside of Boston.

The needs to be a rally held on the step of Akron City Hall again, supporting the police and denouncing the attack of the white family by a huge gang of black thugs. If it were a gang of white's beating up a black family the whole nation would be outraged. Let's all meet on the step outside the police station and invite the news media. Bet that would get the mayor's attention. I'll be there it someone gives us a time and date and let's make it as soon as possible.

this all stems from george bush supporters. he made our country poor, and crime always goes up in poor sections of town, except now the poor section is our whole country.

Dont blame bush he was a great president I never got so much money back & stimulus packages I'm glad kerry lost even though I voted for him ( I'm a registered DEMOCRAT) you people have no clue about polotics only what someone else tells you