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By Jim Carney
Beacon Journal staff writer
POSTED: 12:08 p.m. EDT, Aug 05, 2009
The Petland store at Chapel Hill Mall in Akron has been closed after a former employee at the store was charged with two counts of animal cruelty.
Accusations of animal cruelty were raised after the employee allegedly posted a photograph of herself drowning two rabbits in the store's back room on Facebook — an Internet-based social network.
The store has been closed and will not reopen, according to a press release from the Chillicothe-based Petland.
Petland said the decision to close the store was made ''in response to a recent incident regarding the horrific mistreatment of rabbits.''
Tim Harland, senior humane officer for the Humane Society of Greater Akron, said Liz Carlisle, a former employee, has been charged with two misdemeanor counts of cruelty to animals in Akron Municipal Court.
Harland said his agency was tipped of the July 28 incident by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA).
PETA has called on the owner of Petland chain, Ed Kunzelman, and its president Frank Difatta, to no longer sell rabbits at any of its stores nationwide.
Authorities say the Facebook photo showed a smiling Carlisle holding two dead rabbits. The photo was allegedly taken by a store manager.
''Petland will in no way, shape or form tolerate, any abuse of animals in its care,'' the company said in its statement. ''We are outraged of this gross violation of Petland's animal care standards.''
Petland said the animals at the Chapel Hill store will be removed. The store was owned and operated by a local franchisee. Petland did not release the name of the store's owner.
Akron police said they were not aware of the incident.
Petland said it will take ''any and all action necessary as this does not, in any way, represent the culture and dedication to animals of the thousands of professional Petland employees who provide extraordinary care every day across the country.''
PETA, in its statement, said Petland ''should follow the example of other national chains and immediately stop selling these small, vulnerable animals.''
Harland said this appears to have been isolated incident and Carlisle told investigators that it was her decision to drown the rabbits.
''She thought it was in the best interest of the rabbits,'' he said because they had suffered injuries inflicted upon themselves.
Carlisle, 20, of Ravenna, could not be reached for comment. She is scheduled to be in Akron Municipal Court on Aug. 17.
On the web
On this Petland web page it's reported:
Jeff Reisman & Gary & Sharon Winslow
Petland Akron and Petland Youngstown
Two Ohio Petland stores and two different Adopt-A-Pet options. That's the news from Franchisee Jeff Reisman who operates Petland Akron with Petland Youngstown Franchisees Gary and Sharon Winslow.
The store in Akron places a lot of homeless kittens, 1,050 to date, from its local community. These kittens receive current vaccinations and a full Petland warranty. The store in Youngstown has begun working with Animal Appeal in Sharpsville, Pennsylvania. Petland Youngstown now offers Adopt-A-Pet puppies and kittens. So far more than 120 puppies and 400 kittens have found homes. All were spayed or neutered before leaving Petland Youngstown. All puppy-adopting families also leave Petland Youngstown with Pets for a Lifetime Resource Kits.
Jim Carney can be reached at 330-996-3576 or jcarney@thebeaconjournal.com.
The Petland store at Chapel Hill Mall in Akron has been closed after a former employee at the store was charged with two counts of animal cruelty.
Accusations of animal cruelty were raised after the employee allegedly posted a photograph of herself drowning two rabbits in the store's back room on Facebook — an Internet-based social network.
The store has been closed and will not reopen, according to a press release from the Chillicothe-based Petland.
Petland said the decision to close the store was made ''in response to a recent incident regarding the horrific mistreatment of rabbits.''
Tim Harland, senior humane officer for the Humane Society of Greater Akron, said Liz Carlisle, a former employee, has been charged with two misdemeanor counts of cruelty to animals in Akron Municipal Court.
Harland said his agency was tipped of the July 28 incident by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA).
PETA has called on the owner of Petland chain, Ed Kunzelman, and its president Frank Difatta, to no longer sell rabbits at any of its stores nationwide.
Authorities say the Facebook photo showed a smiling Carlisle holding two dead rabbits. The photo was allegedly taken by a store manager.
''Petland will in no way, shape or form tolerate, any abuse of animals in its care,'' the company said in its statement. ''We are outraged of this gross violation of Petland's animal care standards.''
Petland said the animals at the Chapel Hill store will be removed. The store was owned and operated by a local franchisee. Petland did not release the name of the store's owner.
Akron police said they were not aware of the incident.
Petland said it will take ''any and all action necessary as this does not, in any way, represent the culture and dedication to animals of the thousands of professional Petland employees who provide extraordinary care every day across the country.''
PETA, in its statement, said Petland ''should follow the example of other national chains and immediately stop selling these small, vulnerable animals.''
Harland said this appears to have been isolated incident and Carlisle told investigators that it was her decision to drown the rabbits.
''She thought it was in the best interest of the rabbits,'' he said because they had suffered injuries inflicted upon themselves.
Carlisle, 20, of Ravenna, could not be reached for comment. She is scheduled to be in Akron Municipal Court on Aug. 17.
On the web
On this Petland web page it's reported:
Jeff Reisman & Gary & Sharon Winslow
Petland Akron and Petland Youngstown
Two Ohio Petland stores and two different Adopt-A-Pet options. That's the news from Franchisee Jeff Reisman who operates Petland Akron with Petland Youngstown Franchisees Gary and Sharon Winslow.
The store in Akron places a lot of homeless kittens, 1,050 to date, from its local community. These kittens receive current vaccinations and a full Petland warranty. The store in Youngstown has begun working with Animal Appeal in Sharpsville, Pennsylvania. Petland Youngstown now offers Adopt-A-Pet puppies and kittens. So far more than 120 puppies and 400 kittens have found homes. All were spayed or neutered before leaving Petland Youngstown. All puppy-adopting families also leave Petland Youngstown with Pets for a Lifetime Resource Kits.
Jim Carney can be reached at 330-996-3576 or jcarney@thebeaconjournal.com.
Someone should drown her and post it on facebook..
SO WHAT ELSE HAS THIS GIRL DONE?????DROWN ANY PUPPY DOGS OR KITTY CATS TOO...
I have always felt sorry for the puppies in that store. The prices were WAY too high and the poor things always looked so sad. What a miserable life until they got a home. Puppy mills should be stopped.
What a loser. Like she wanted caught. That place was nothing but trouble.
Meaning that PetLand had planned to close it due to poor revenue, anyway, and this was a perfect opportunity to show ultimate concern. Bottom line, the hoodrats that hang out at Chapel Hill drive away people that actually have money to spend. I live 4 miles from Chapel Hill, and I haven't been there since December. It is ALWAYS the last option when I am looking to make a purchase.
Dip the B&^CH!!!!
All of the animals in that store appear to be miserable. I'm glad to hear it's being shut down.
I say the franchise owner is a matter of public record. Someone should look it up and post it here in the comments section.
I called yesterday the Akron store yesterday and was told the owner's name is Steve Winslow. Someone please look into it. The owner, Liz Carlile, and the photographer should all be charged.
It's about time this place is shut down..they all need to be shut down and punished for what they did
I got my pet rabbit at a Petland store in GA and the entire time he was alive (he unfortunately passed away a few months ago) he was the perfect laid-back rabbit and never showed any signs of having been hurt or abused while at the Petland store. Petland was the only pet store near me that had rabbits and if not for them, I never would have gotten mine or known how much of a joy they could be to own. I think it would be a shame if the entire chain had to stop selling rabbits nation-wide because one franchise did something like this - investigate the others and if there are no more signs that animals are being mistreated, don't take away a potentially wonderful pet-owner relationship because of an isolated incident.
On that note, I seriously hope neither the owner, Liz Carlisle, or the photographer are ever allowed to work near animals again
You can adopt rabbits on petfinder. Please do not buy a rabbit from a pet store
I did a Google search and discovered the owners are Jeff Reisman and Gary and Sharon Winslow. I could find no mention of Steve Winslow.
THESE KIND OF PLACES ARE THE WORST TO BUY PETS OUTSIDE OF FISH AND REPTILES. THEY SHOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO SELL SUPPLIES. NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUT A PET FROM ANYONE BUT A LISCENSED BREEDER WHO IS NOT A BREEDING FACTORY.
Petland stores are notorious for buying their puppies from puppy mills. I am thrilled they are now closed for good.
As for the employee who drowned the rabbits - I hope she gets the maxiumum penalties - which, unfortunately probably won't amount to much more than a slap on the wrist.
The owners are Gary and Sharon Winslow. They own the store at Boardman as well, so feel free to give them a ring and let them know how you feel. They have no concern for the Akron store, and this has finally given them the excuse to shut down this location in hopes of making the situation not seem as bad on them.
Devil's advocate:
If the animals were injured as she claims, then she did the right thing. Would you rather the animals sat in their cages experiencing a slow painful death?
The question should be, what is the chains policy towards injured animals?
Yeah I saw that (Sharon Winslow) when I googled, that could have been what she said it seemed noisy inside of the store when I phoned them yesterday.
Supposedly not only were these rabbits drowned, but someone had been torturing them before that as well. They had other injuries. Sick B*tch.
On another subject...
...if I catch a mouse in a mousetrap and it's not dead, what should I do?
Does PETA have recommended protocals for dealing with situations like this?
Or should I use a live trap and relocate the mice somewhere?
Would city mouse like to visit country mouse?
What goes around comes around. I stopped many times to look at the dogs and some did not look very healthy...Puppy mills are a bad deal and they should be shut down...
Let's see if this case gets equal protection under the law?
This case includes TWO (at minimum) animal deaths compared to NONE in the HCW case.
Also, will the ABJ run front page, above the fold coverage of this case tommorrow and a follow-up (with photos of accused and her attorney) following the scheduled August 17th Akron Municipal Court appearance?
For one it has been shown that people who do heinous crimes to animals have eventually done it to Men, Women and Children, she should be permanently off the street. One other item about PETA. They are a hypocritical organization when it comes to the killing of animals. Best example is when 2 of their members was using a PETA van in Virginia telling Vets and humane centers that the animals they were collecting to adopt out were in fact being killed in the back of that van. Where were they disposing of the bodies? In a dumpster at a local mall. www.petakillsanimals.com That organization as far as I am concerned is no more any better than she is.
They had signs all over in there that they have a vet that checks the animals. How about calling him/her to take care of the injured rabbits? This Liz chick is bad news. Drowning bunnies has no effect on her AND she can pose with their dead bodies on a facebook post - like it's funny! Cold and callous. Does this loser have kids? Oh, and I used to go their and look at the pups but I stopped because it broke my heart. The place was filthy all of the time and the dogs looked sick.
It's one thing to kill the animals but it's another to actually photograph yourself smiling next to their dead bodies and post it on Facebook. Anyone who thinks they did this to be humane or out of caring for the animals is wrong. This is an outrageous act by sadistic individuals.
I just read the information available above and it says...
"Other comments Carlisle posted made it clear that the rabbits were drowned after sustaining agonizing injuries when they were allowed to "attack and eat each other." The rabbits suffered from "deep wounds all over," "an eye missing," what Petland staff "suspected was a broken jaw," and paralysis from the waist down—"
Anyone that can kill an animal...or watch them suffer...has to be evil.
This is the same store that had a problem with parvo, 8 years ago. The Feds came in and investigated; causing the closure of many puppy farms.
It's not the owner's fault! Liz Carlisle is just a waste of flesh. I will never understand why people choose to do this horrible things to defenseless creatures I hope you enjoy hell you pathetic human being.
Do they need plusquellic to crack this case!
Dear OT, get your head out of Heather Nagel's arse. She harmed a great deal more animals than did this crazy woman. I hope Heather goes to jail and they condemn/raze the house she owns in my neighborhood. It's a blight and eyesore and she should be charged to rid the city of it.
If you kill a pet yourself it is a crime. If you take it to the vet then it is OK. Sorta like abortion.
There are no words for what I am feeling about these dumA%%s. If I ever see the witch on the street I would call her a killer loud enough for people to hear and tell them what kind of a person she is to kill rabits. I pray that you get what is coming to you. You are on sick person, who would be smiling after killing a living being. You place is in He77 you are going to wish for water bi7ch and you won't have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a sadistic person. This is disturbing, who knows what else she killed. How can you work and "care" for the animals and do this? Shut it down, shut puppy mills down.
Breeders should (if not already do?) have license and only be allowed to produce a certain amount of litters a year and be the only people allowed to sell the animals. Sick, sick, sick. I say it again...I hate people now.
What a stupid kid. Don't they know that when they put something on facebook that others will be able to see it???
thanks abj for finally posting what I wrote.
I hope she doesn't have children and that they don't get hurt or they will see a full bathtub soon! The penalty she will get does not come near what she deserves. Doesn't she know what vets are for?? If the bunnies were injured the vet could recommend what needs done. Treatment or euthanasia but a professional should make the call not a sick young so called woman.
Hmmm, other than the stoopid young lady worked at Petland, I don't see where the owner of the franchise was involved.
Alas, there's always sum-buddy that wants to blame the owner of the business for the actions of the worker.
Too bad about the bunnies.
@RowdyZ...
You should try to stay on top of the news from your own neighborhood.
According to the ABJ, the Akron Health Department condemned the house back on July 14th.
Perhaps you should ask the Mayor what is taking the city so long to do something about it.
whats wrong with aborting rabbits?
Don't support stores that sell animals! This cowardly and poor excuse of a human being isn't fit for society. All of those involved in this murder and who did nothing when injuries were noticed on these poor rabbits are culpable. Glad to hear the store's shut down. Animal cruelty is a moral and legal crime. www.rabbitadvocacy.com
Was the manager who took the picture charged too?
wow. . . Liz, you are a maroonette. . .
Even though I believe rabbits are evil (and sometimes in kahoots with the squirrels), there is no excuse for this. I'm glad they shut down that hellhole and wish they would close all the other shops like it.
BigMB, well said. The owners are not necessarily at fault for the sorry actions of a couple of employees. If they actually did condone this sort of behavior, then it's another matter entirely. But somehow, I don't think the Chapel Hill Petland would have lasted as long as it did if this were indeed the case.
Personally, I think what this girl did was horrible, but let's consider the context; she didn't kill another human being. She killed two rabbits. It's a crime that warrants community service, not the death penalty.
This is a sad, sad story. I hope this girl is punished to the full extent of the law...(first harming animals...can lead to harming people). I pray she has no children. This Petland at Chapel Hill was disgusting. Different times that I would stop by, the animals did not have water, cages would need to be cleaned, but the workers would just be standing there or walking around. So glad it was shut down!
I'm curious if the owners did know what was going on. Did Liz Carlisle decide "what the hell I'm going to go to work and kill those two rabbits today"? I'm sure she was instructed to do it or at least the owners must have known about it.
she could have at least made some hand warmers out of them....I'll take two....plus some stew!
Now the chic is going to say "I did it because the store was letting the animals hurt each other, and now they are out of thier misery", well a pic like that says a lot more than any kind of "clean up job" she's trying to get us all to believe, she's scum.
ALL Petlands sell puppies from abusive and cruel puppy mills. And AKC has a business arrangement to register these puppy mills puppies with Petland. http://www.petstorecruelty.org/boycottpetland.htm
Look up a google search "akc puppy mills"
Petland used animal abuse as a business model.
Stories like this make me sick! I'm glad I know my pets have a safe and loving home.
Well,she might have trouble finding a job after that.Well maybe in a chinese restaurant.She could have brought those bunnies to my house.My cat loves to catch them at night and wake the whole neighborhood up tearing them apart and eating them slowly.Maybe drowning isn't so bad.
Throw the Michael Vick book at her...then throw it at Vinces' not-funny joke.
string her up
Definitely something missing in a person who can drown an animal and smile about it. I'm sure her parents are proud.
wow well this is another example of an eye for an eye........ hellloooooo ohio judges,,,, lets drown her and see if she can survive. I will be the eye for eye at min wage.... trust me it will help Akron's f....k heads
This is a gut wrenching story. A person sick enough to do something like that needs to be locked away. If you're twisted enough to kill a poor little animal, what's to stop you from killing another human being? And just because they are going to stop selling rabbits doesn't mean that this won't happen to a puppy or kitten. They shouldn't be SELLING animals anyways. I hope the store has to stay closed and all of the animals get taken in by a non-kill shelter, people who actually care about animals.
I have to say for once I am actually speechless. This is one of the most disturbing things I have read in a very long time. I cannot believe someone could do such a horrible thing! I am will forever have the visions of the poor drowned rabbits burned into my mind. This sick girl should be shot!
Maybe they can take them up to the golden dragon on state road and drop them off.
DAng yahs act like Mike Vick or something..sheeesh!!
The article is about animal abuse, not eating meat, although animals used for food are abused as well. Ohio needs to get FELONY convictions for animal abusers, not misdemeanors & this animal abuse case is 1 more sad example.
uh Grnbstrd and Nancy D good night and take care.
I guess good night animals too...
Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and Michael Berkowitz (Son of Sam killer)ALL started out their lives of depravity by killing animals. Liz Carlisle is in serious need of extensive psychological counseling.
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As a local dog groomer and personal victim of Petland, I am all too aware of Petland's heinous infractions on animals and people alike. While I'm happy that this store was shut down, it is only a minor victory considering all other Petlands are still open. They are NOTORIOUS for selling sick, mixed-breed puppies with false papers and false information to customers, promising that their dogs are healthy and of some value (sorry, but no "puggle" has valid papers or is worth $800). My friend worked there and was fired when a puppy fell from a high cage and broke its leg, and he took it to a vet after hours WITH HIS OWN MONEY, then RETURNED THE PUPPY TO THE STORE, because the owner refused to pay a vet bill without being positive someone was going to buy the puppy. I watched a puppy die in a childs arms while the sales girl grabbed it and said, "its just sleeping" and rushed it to the back. My mom bought a "papered" Chihuahua who had pneumonia and almost died, and after he grew to over 20 lbs she has a DNA test done... he is less than 20% Chi. And myself, who out of pity purchased a sick Golden Retriever pup, "papered" as well (which I later found out came from a completely different puppy 4 months older than mine, who HAD DIED IN THE STORE), whose knees and elbows gave out at 6 months and is now only 3 and has cancer. This does not even begin to cover the horror stories I hear (and witness) from my clients... Sorry for the rant, but please.. do not buy from Petland!!!!!!!
PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ANIMAL CRUELTY!
45 STATES HAVE FELONY CHARGES AGAINST THIS SADLY NOT IN OHIO PLEASE HELP CHANGE THE LAW FOR THE ANIMALS THEY NEED YOU!
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What kind of person would kill a poor animal? I know someone very close to me who is an animal lover and had to kill a poor innocent animal just a few days ago. While on a walk, he saw an apparently dead kitten with maggots eating its body and head, but when he walked past it, it looked at him and wagged its tail. What would you do? Sometimes killing an animal is the hardest thing to do, but the only 'right' thing. However, in this case, there should have been doctors overseeing the place. But before you make general broad sweeping statements, think about what you are saying. Sometimes it takes someone who truly cares deeply for an animal to end its suffering and not just walk past it. And by the way, he did call the police and he was not charged with any crime. Go figure.
I'm sorry my post got so long. I have just been disgusted for a very long time. I wanted to also state that I love my dogs very, very much. And while I have regrets buying from that store, we've learned a very valuable lesson, I can't regret them. I love them and will do the very best I can to make their lives better. Oh and one more thing, We do not believe our last puppy is a full blooded Great Pyrenees despite his papers. He does not look like one. He looks more like a St. Bernard Mix or a Pyrenean Mastiff, now that he's gotten older. So I'm not surprised by the comments I'm reading here regarding them selling puppies and pure bred and finding out they are indeed not.
Sicko is as sicko does.
Sharon has a good post. Most states have felony animal cruelty abuse laws, but not Ohio. That needs changed & this is one sad, sick case that can be used as an example for change. As for the meat-eater posters, eating meat is unhealthy & everyone knows it & the way factory farm animals are treated is criminal & needs to stop.
@ concernedcitizens0 It doesn't matter if you buy a rabbit from a petstore or adopt from Petfinder. Seriously. Either way a rabbit is hopefully going to be placed in a loving home. I got my rabbit that died last year at 10.5 years of age from this Petland and she was the best rabbit ever. Would it have made a HUGE difference if I'd adopted her from Petfinder? Point is, I gave a rabbit a loving home and treated her as if she were my child from the moment I took possession of her until the day she died. She was my best friend and she came from Petland. I'm sure not all Petlands hire whackos like these and I hope their hiring practices do change after this. Don't let me near that psycho though. She'd be sorry. She should be charged with felonies instead of misdemeanors.
To the people who post about how it's funny that someone killed these bunnies and we should make stew or "hand warmers", you are sick pathetic people. Your parents never loved you. You were a mistake. A waste of sperm so to speak. Do yourselves a favor and go drown yourselves so the rest of us can laugh at you.
BTW...if anybody ever comes near MY rabbit, you'll have ME to deal with and you don't wanna mess with me. Not when it comes to my bun.
thank you concernedcitizens0 but let's not forget our dogs and cats!! an aweaome pet DOES NOT NEED TO BE A FULL BREED!! There are so many loving pets out there, that people overlook only because of them not being a full breed. RREALLY??????
Unfortunately working at an after hours emergency as a vet tech we saw so many puppies and kittens come in with parvo, FELV (feline luekimia) FIV (feline AIDS) that all came from petland with so called papers. All had papers that said they were vaccinated yet when we asked Petland for the records of proof they told us they couldn't find them. FYI, you have to keep vet records on the property for seven years!! There is no way around this law. Be very aware when you buy animals from pet stores, or breeders, or petfinders. Always get a copy of medical records. They should have the stickers from each vial of vaccines given and they are not allowed to sell any animal under 8 weeks old. By then that animal should have at least it's first set of vaccines and hopefully the second set. If the they claimed to have dewormed it that must also be on the record of how much and what drug and dose. Too many people buy from pet stores thinking it's more legit than breeders when it usually is not. Learn about everything before you venture into a pet store for your new pet. FYI- most veterinarians and technicians will asnwer questions over the phone on what you should look for and need to get from the seller. This is defianatly buyer beware kind of deal.
Just a side note- your animal isn't fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after the third set of vaccines. Keep the little ones off the ground outside until that time.
We got a dog from a pet store just like this one. A handsome black german shepherd. He had severe kennel cage syndrome and had to be put down. I will never buy another dog from a pet store. You are always better off getting a dog from an individual. Mutts are free and grateful for a second chance.
what the hell is up with people today.....I hate this world!
What a horrible human being. I want to track down her house and knock her lights out.
OK people try and not think through your arse and Use some Common Sense.
"Liz Carlisle, a former employee, has been charged with two misdemeanor counts of cruelty to animals in Akron Municipal Court."
Try and think, think, think.
Was Miss Carlisle fired because of this incident? The article doesn't say. Why would Miss Carlisle post this picture on Facebook? The article doesn't say, however no one in their right mind would do this right?
Here's what I think, Miss Carlisle got fired for a separate incident and a way to get back at her "former" employer would be to post this image on Facebook and notify the PETA idiots. This would satisfy her desire to get even and would make a great headline for the PETA idiots. I think we should look beyond the "bunny" fog and try and see the truth here or at least a Common Sense answer.
As far as the rabbits go, throw them in a pot of boiling water and feed them to the homeless, they're just rabbits and people kill them for food all the time.
I believe all the posts about illegal and unethical happenings at Petland; however, if there are so many why was it still in business? Weren't these incidents reported? I'd expect the vets to report at least.
@SL
The hospital I worked for did report it. Unfortunately the AVMA is extremely slow. As you can tell. Dr. Harts is still in business and she has plenty of complaints and thousands of dollars worth of finds. The vets giving the complaints can only do so much, it's the AVMA and especialy the Ohio VMA that needs to finish the job by giving these pet stores and backdoor vets something more than a slap on the wrist.
@Commonsense
It does sound like she posted the pictures with revenge in mind. Yet, she did killed two defenseless rabbits in a very inhuumane way and she deserves what she gets.
@Commonsense
She may of posted the pictures out of revenge but in the end she did kill two defenseless rabbits in a very inhumane way and she deserves what she gets.
@Commonsense
She may of posted the pictures out of revenge yet she did kill two defenseless rabbits. She deserves to get everything they give her.
@Commonsense - You're a terrible human being just like this chick. YOU should attempt to use more common sense.
I worked at a pet store at chapel hill 20 yrs. ago, it was at the main entrance called "Docktor Pets", i would go to throw away my lunch in the garbage and there would be a dead cat or kitten just laying on top of the garbage. no wrapping around it. ALL of the puppies came from puppy mills and 90% of the time they were diseased and 70% of the time they would break out in seizures spontaneously in their tiny wire cages behind glass. the store had an unseen 'sick room' that was appalling with dirty tiny cages in a dim lit room in the back storage closet and it was always packed, and if an animal died, it was thrown in the trash like an empty coffee cup. i left there traumatized and tried to get them in trouble , to no avail. i cried when i saw that story on the news. and puppy mills should be illegal. those poor rabbitts were tortured to death. you can tell ALOT about a person if they hate animals or laugh at animal cruelty.
allyv80...
"You're a terrible human being just like this chick."
Why would you say that??
tycat...
"kill two defenseless rabbits in a very inhumane way"
I think that what she did was put two rabbits out of their misery. The PETA idiots website says the rabbits were bitten, one was missing an eye and one was partially paralized, it would have been more inhumane to let them suffer any longer.
USE COMMON SENSE: FYI there is NOTHING HUMANE ABOUT THIS The animals were wounded because they are thrown in an aquarium 10 at a time not enough room food or water and they FIGHT Not all rabbits get along or should be put together THE FIGHTERS WERE NOT SEPARATED as they should have been. They were NEGLECTED I would go in there just to tell the EMPLOYEES TO TAKE CARE OF THE RABBITS!!!!!!!!!!
ANYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT DOMESTIC RABBITS KNOWS SHE IS LYING AND THE PICTURE IS THE PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU DON"T LAUGH AND TAKE PICS AT HAVING TO PUT AN ANIMAL DOWN !!!!!!! SHE IS A SICK B*($*
you know that she will get a slap on the wrist and not allowed to have any animals for a couple of years and a fine that is it! HOW TERRIBLE is that??
I have purchased one of my chinchillas at this store and she had been diagnoised with a heart problem when I called to let the manager know that there was a problem all they could say to me is well I'll let the breeder know! Also I have been through that store many many times and have gone by the chinchillas cages and have complained to the store's manager and or person in charge that the chinchillas needed to be in a different part of the store that they weren't doing well (health wise, I have raised well over 20 chinchillas)and I picked one of the sick ones up and pointed out what exactly was wrong with it and said you need to get this to a vet and they said well I let the owner know!!! I reported them!
WHITE TRASH!
She should be stoned for her crime!
Tie cement bricks to her ankles and throw her in lake erie
I had to quit going in there and telling the employees to take care of the animals to save my sanity. I already knew PETA was investigating them, it is so frustrating. My daughter bought a baby guinea pig from them who was diagnosed with pneumonia at the vet the next day.
They gave Mike Vick time in the federal pen, she should be next! Stallworth (the clown who plays for the Browns) only served 24 days for killing a man while driving drunk! Does this make any sense!??
SMH!
this is crazy i got animals from this store thank god i saved them before they got hurt and yes 3 of them was rabbits which are my pets and i love them dearly i would never hurt them i mean what was she thinking i hope she gets jail time and she should not be allowed to work at any pet stores or around any animals . wtf was she thinking anyway this story has mad me so upset and angry i agree that the same should happen to her!!!!
are rabbits i still have them too!!!
Good morning Akron!
sara860...
"My daughter bought a baby guinea pig from them who was diagnosed with pneumonia at the vet the next day."
You took a guinea pig to the vet?!? How much did that cost vs what you paid for it? I'm getting a laugh out of these postings they're so over dramatic!
this girl is seriously sick. She should face higher chargers. If you look her name up on yahoo there are just pages and pages about this story. Im glad they shut down this store. They mistreat every animal in there. They dont care for the animals. I went there a few years ago played with a puppy that I thought was fine and ended up bringing home the parvo illness from the store and gave it to my dog who almost died. I have been to other petland stores and they actually care for the animals. I think that the one at chapel hill has bad owners, bad employees who dont care. They just want to make money.
*POLICY FOR INJURED PET*
PUT IN CARRIER...TAKE TO VET
She is wrong, but they are still rabbits. The same animals that I shoot with a bb gun when they eat my plants. She should be fined, and that is the end of it. Get real. Child abusers and armed felons get less punishment than what you bleeding-hearts are calling for.
PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals.
PetLand....sister company to Heavan can Wait?????????
Policy for injuried pets: TAKE TO VET
Hey "Use Common Sense" Some people actually care about animals and treat their pets right. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T so why don't you get off this thread.
I'm thinking that a woman who could willingly drown an animal and not think twice about it is a dangerous individual. If the animals were injured, then let a vet euthanize them. That's the humane method. There's no excuse for drowning those rabbits, and to hold them up and smile for a photo afterward shows a sick mind. It's not a far reach that animal killers can progress to people killers.
UseCommonSense: You suppose that she posted the pic in retaliation for being fired. My question is why she had the picture taken in the first place? There's no logical reason, other than a sordid mind gaining sordid pleasure.
Don't people with pet snakes buy mice, guinea pigs, and rabbits at pet stores to feed to their snakes? She might have saved these bunnies from being squeezed to death and eaten by a snake. Give her a medal.
~IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT SHE DID WITH RABBITS;MAYBE SHE WAS HUNGRY...THEY TASTE JUST LIKE ..CHICKEN~
Sarah, Tycat and Ally: I agree with your posts. CommonSense,Ron Mexico, et al. are internet trolls who post to get a rise out of people. It is best just to ignore them. Arguing with them is what they want and is how they get their kicks. Nobody wins those back and forth "debates".
sarah860...
"Some people actually care about animals and treat their pets right. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T so why don't you get off this thread."
I don't treat my pets right! That's obvious to you?!? OK, well if you know that much about me how many do I have, what kind and what do I do that makes you think that I mistreat them? Maybe it's not as obvious as you think and you're just talking out your arse.
Oh and the reason that I don't leave this thread is that I'm amazed at how many bleeding hearts are out there and am getting a good belly laugh out of your posts.
I agree with Ron Mexico in that they are just rabbits, we hunt when we can along with squirrel and anything else. I shoot them out of my garden along with other rodents.
I don't however agree that this girl should be finded, just embarassed.
Lost in Thought...
Like you I'm not sure why anyone in their right mind would take this picture and post it. It's possible that she had been threatened to be fired several times and assumed it was inevitable, but that's just my guess.
@Usecommonsense - You're a terrible human being because you have no respect for life. As humans, we should respect ALL living things - including animals, which includes rabbits. Judging from your comments, you obviously don't have any respect for life. Which makes you a terrible human being.
allyv80...
"we should respect ALL living things"
Even trees? How about carrots? Onions? So you're saying that if I mow my grass I'm a terrible person? Pull your head out AllyV80.
YES ANOTHER PUPPY MILL VENDOR BITES THE DUST!!!
PLEASE DO NOT GO TO PET SHOPS TO BUY ANIMALS
GO TO PETFINDER OR SHELTERS THERE OUR SO MANY ANIMALS THAT NEED A HOME PLEASE HAVE YOUR ANIMALS SPAYED OR NEUTERED IF YOU WALK THRU A SHELTER YOU WILL SEE WHY IT IS SO NEEDED TO TRY TO CONTROL THE PET POPULATION IT IS SO SAD TO SEE THESE ANIMALS
JUST WAITING TO BELONG TO SOMEONE
PLEASE LOG ON TO NITROFOUNDATION.COM TO HELP ELEVATE THE LAW FROM A MISTERMEANOR TO A FELONY
YOU CAN HELP CHANGE THE LAW IN OHIO
PLEASE BE THE ANIMALS VOICE THEY SO NEED YOU
THANK YOU BLESS US ALL
Good gracious, what is wrong with people? It's a good thing Petland is closed down too, that franchise has been having issues with their pets coming from puppy mills, as others have noted. And as said above, there are millions of animals who need loving homes at shelters everywhere. Why would anyone pay for an animal? Please help these poor pets out with a good home!
I think this is absolutely horrible. I am glad they are shutting Petland down and wish they would close all of them down or only allow them to sell pet products. Or even do pet adoption days like Pet Smart and Petco do. The animals sold at these stores like Pet Land are from puppy mills and breeders that are not reputable. I know several people that have bought dogs from these stores and they develop health issues over time. I sure hope they find a place for the animals that were at this store. This story just disgusts me to no end.
@Usecommonsense - I apologize for my wording. I should have specified, but because of your moniker, I assumed you would be able to understand where I was getting at. I was incorrect.
Plants are incapable of nociception, which is the ability to feel and respond to pain. While we should of course use caution in our use of plants as resources because of how the abuse of this usage negatively affects our ecosystem, it is not the same as causing harm to a living creature who IS capable of feeling pain.
As human beings, we do need to respect ALL living things. However, the respect that we show differs depending on whether or not the living thing in question can feel pain.
Is that a satisfactory response for you?
This store should have been closed along time ago. They over charge customers for the animals, not enough staffing, the animals stinks and allows the public to mishandle the animals.
I hope she didn't try to drown the fish there too!
Ok well I made a really long post last night and it looks like it didn't post for some reason. I will try to make it shorter. In the past 3 years we've purchased two dogs from the Petland at Chapel Hill Mall. Good experience with the first one for the first two years so we decided to get another one of the "same" breed. 2nd dog was sick & made my 3 other dogs sick & cost us hundreds of dollars to make everyone well. Owner of store gave us a gift card from his store saying that it would help offset our vet costs. How so really? Then a 2 weeks after getting 2nd dog there, 1st dog started to have seizures. Her meds cost us $100 a month. She's had at least 1 seizure a month in the past 15 months. Then 2nd dog (who is currently 17 months old) was diagnosed with severe hip dysplasia on one side, less severe on other side, & both front legs have deterioration. So in May when he was 14 months old, we took him to OSU for hip replacement surgery. Cost? $4200. He can now act like the puppy he was meant to be. Instead of crying in pain & struggling to stand up & walk like he was. I wrote a letter to the owner about this begging for our money back that we spent on him, ($1200) to help us pay for his surgery. I wasn't asking for him to pay for the surgery. The dog was diagnosed before he was a year old. But that man doesn't care like he claimed to in the letter he wrote back to me. I got another offer of a gift card to his store (no amount stated) to help offset our cost as if there is anything in that store that we would want or need at this point. & the dog's breed was to be a pure-bred Great Pyrenees. As he has aged, he does not look like one & looks to have St. Bernard or Pyrenean Mastiff in him. I love my dogs & wouldn't trade them for anything in the world but we learned a very, very costly lesson from that place. I'm so glad it's finally closed! Shame on you people!
@Unused Common Sense:
So, following your logic, if any of us should ever happen upon you at a traffic accident, we should just stick your pointy head in a trash bag until you quit breathing because it is the "humane" thing to do?
Well, it would be for the rest of us, but what about how it affects you?
I'm sorry, but they were frickin' rabbits. I have better and more important things to care about then the death of two animals. People in this country care more about animals then they do our homeless. What's next, being arrested for killing mice?
USE COMMON SENSE doesn't want to respect TREES - What does he think is giving him the oxygen to keep his BS GOING????
BoneheadtheUsual1....
Yeah that will work.
FreeAmerica...
"What's next, being arrested for killing mice?"
Oh god, don't get these wackos started on mice.
Sara860...
You better call the nurse, you're drooling on yourself again.
Drown that &(*((*_ tch take a picture while laughing and put it on facebook..eye for a eye..see how it feels u psychotic u know what..
@ Free America:
People are outraged over the abuse of the defenseless animals. The pure act is sick and shows how horrible people can be to defenseless beings.
Caring for the homeless is a whole different story that does not have to do with defenseless animals or defenseless people. Animals can not protect themselves against us, homeless can.
and again...why are puppy mills allowed to operate?
@Useless Sense - I see you chose not to respond to my comment. FAIL.
@Free America - I care about the death of animals. I also care about the death of humans. And the homeless. And the environment. It is perfectly acceptable to be passionate about many different causes. Obviously.
No Use of Common Sense:
You are just a product of the Machine, so marinated in the culture of humans first, last and only that I'll bet it really never occurred to you to question this presupposition.
Humankind was formed in the matrix of this planet. The animals, plants, minerals and molecules of Earth are our very building blocks. We are immersed in, and dependent upon, all other forms of life for our own.
Until you "GET" this there is no point in any further response. Thanks.
@Sarah - I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.
She is an attractive young lady, though.
First of all I must offer my sincere appologies to AllyV80 for not responding in a timely manner and I'd like to express my appreciation to her for defining the word "nociception" for me. Thank you.
Now animals... The rabbits are just animals just like deer, cows, sheep, squirrel, etc., etc. They were put on gods green earth for us to eat and enjoy, so I plan on eating and enjoying as many as I can. As someone once said, "If god didn't plan on us eating animals, he wouldn't have made them taste so good." I do appreciate trees, (I can't believe I'm responding to this), they like other plants provide a source of materials that protect us and some provide food. So you can see I do appreciate animals and plants (some with a little gravy) and will continue eating them as god has intended for us to do. As far as the girl goes, I still believe she's setup the store and is working side by side with those goofs, PETA.
@Usecommonsense - The animals you listed above are no different from domesticated housepets like dogs and cats. Would you grill one of them up too?
I won't get into the vegetarian argument with you. I am obviously a vegetarian, and I do realize that some people's views are different from mine, and while I think these people are wrong, I try not to be condescending because they have a right to their opinion. However, taking pleasure in torturing and murdering a defenseless animal can be interpreted as psychotic behavior. Jeffrey Dahmer started his rampage by torturing and killing animals, much like other violent criminals out there. So this should be taken seriously.
In your previous post, you stated, "As far as the rabbits go, throw them in a pot of boiling water and feed them to the homeless, they're just rabbits and people kill them for food all the time." That is awful to say, and perhaps you should undergo a psychiatric evaluation as well. Besides, just because "people kill animals for food all the time" doesn't make that right.
Old Man Grump there's a big difference here!!! The girls criminal act was purposely malicous. The Browns' wide receivers criminal act was not done on purpose. It was an accident, dui or no dui. I don't think he set out to run over a man crossing a highway, do you? This girl set out to harm those mamed animals. In her mind she is sick,sick,the look on her face says it all!!!Sick. How his case was handled was between him, the court, and the family of the victim.
If there is anything worse than a troll (commonsense) it is someone who takes a troll seriously and responds back to them.
Ally80...
NO I would not grill a dog or cat... however I have eat'in them. I lived in Italy for several years while I was in the Air Force and was told to leave my dog in the US since they eat them there. Since I was in Italy, do as the Italians do. The Jeffery Dahlmer/animal cruelty thing is a weak excused used by vegetarian groups to put down meat eaters and it's comical when brought up. The rest of the world eats animals, even dogs and cats, and 99% aren't crazy they're just hungry. In Italy I ate dogs and cats, yuck; horse meat, yuck; quail, goat, boar, finches, octopus, grouse, mule, and dove. (probably more) Just because you're a bleeding heart doesn't mean others are.
I stand firmly by this statement.
"As far as the rabbits go, throw them in a pot of boiling water and feed them to the homeless, they're just rabbits and people kill them for food all the time."
'use common sense'
how many restraining orders have been filed against you?
look up anti social personality disorder and you will see your pic.
or you just like to be oppositional and try to hurt people from your lonely room with the sticky keyboard. tool.
dinnerbellmel...
If that's what you believe.
@ WatchingItAll,
Yeah, I want to see her in a bunny pelt thong & matching bunny ear bra!
wow, very disturbing behavior by someone who clearly doesn't know right from wrong. Regardless if the rabbits were ill, they should not have been drowned. And then to take a photo of yourself and post it to facebook, that's pretty sick. I always felt so bad for the dogs and cats at Petland, they never looked happy or healthy
@Usecommonsense - You missed my point entirely. I said I do not put down meat eaters. How can I? I am the only vegetarian in my family. What I said was, there is a direct correlation between abusive/violent behavior (whether it's abuse towards other people or towards animals) and psychosis. Do some research. Many violent criminals (including Dahmer and other serial killers) begin their crime sprees by hurting animals. Therefore, acts of cruelty against animals SHOULD be taken seriously - if not because you believe it's wrong, but at least because it's indicitave of dangerous behavior.
@dinnrmelbell - I'm going to assume that you're referring to me, since I've been debating with commonsense. I don't believe commonsense is a troll. We are debating two sides of a coin. If you can't comprehend that, perhaps you should go back to drooling and watching a blank tv set.
OMG!!!!!!Does this mean I shouldn't eat chitterlings????
Guess I'll go back to my Angus beef!
This story thoroughly disgusts me! Only good thing about it is another Petland is closed! A few of my friends and coworkers have gotten dogs from Petland and almost all of them developed health issues at some point. These animals are from puppy mills and small-time backyard breeders. No reputable breeder would sell one of their puppies to a store! Plus these animals are way over priced. I hope the animals that were removed from this store were taken to foster homes or a no kill shelter.
This story thoroughly disgusts me! Only positive thing is another Petland is shut down. These pet stores get their animals from puppy mills and back yard breeders. No reputable breeder would ever sell one of their puppies to a store. I have known several people who purchased puppies from Petland and almost all of them have developed health issues. One of the Petlands here in GA where I currently live had an outbreak of parvo a few months back and they closed briefly. I hope the remaining animals that were taken from this store went to foster homes or a no kill shelter.
Use Common Sense, the ABJ's biggest troll.
No more needs to be said. A debate is not possible with somebody who defend this kind of action.
AllyV80
You may think you're having a debate, but you're not. UseCommonSense (UCS) is chuckling over every post made trying to debate with him/her/it. Many of us are on these comment boards at ABJ regularly, and experience UCS and their tactics. They're not interested in a debate, argument or discussion. Just in getting people agitated.
Go ahead and have your debate if you like, but don't get upset with people that see UCS as a troll, and warn others not to debate with them.
Court is nothing. She will get hers in a much bigger way someday !!! You need some serious professional counseling. I doubt their is any hope for you. You are truly a very sick human being. (I use the term human being loosely)
@ Mr. Sarcastic,
Please don't bring your "urban" mice to the country. The country is the real america. And we don't want no fake american mice.
All you are going to do is give the bigots something else to be mad about. I can see the post already,
"All these "urban" mice mixing with our "rural" mice and now the rural mice have become pest around here. We used to share our beds with our mice. Now they "illegaly enter" into our homes and barns and eat our grain for our horses and cows. It wasn't like that before the "urban" mice moved in. They eat the corn that is meant for our chickens! All they do is eat my rural animals food and reproduce. If you see one you got 50! I hate "urban" mice. I love my "rural" mice. so you "urbans" just keep your "urban" arse out of here!
LMAO!!!
I think some people on here should take a chill pill.Many will gripe that when they see one rabbit,soon they'll see fifty.BECKY,bad idea,lake erie has enough pollution.Meat from grass fed animals is not bad for you.It's the meat from grain fattened animals that have all the saturated fat.
Okay Commonsense
We'll have to agree to disagree.
If they were injured as severely as you say then they should of been taken to a vet and either treated or euthanized. Believe it or not there are rescue groups for rabbits that would of nursed these animals to health if possible. Rabbits are fragile animals, picking up one wrong and you can easily break it's back.
As I said plenty of times in many post regarding animals. There is a difference between food animals and domesticated animals. These rabbits were bred to be pets and drowning is a very cruel way to die. Let someone shove your head under water and let me know how you feel. They do feel and respond the same way we do. Think about that for a second.
As for PETA, I've been a vet tech for 10 years all across this country and some are way out of there minds and some aren't. I guess it depends on who you run into.
You also laughed at someone who treated a baby G-pig. I've dealt with a guy who sold his house to pay for treatment for his dog that was hit by a car. Love can make us do some crazy things when it comes to our pets.
Aren't we all trolls on these boards?
One person's pet is another's food, that's just the way it is.
I think the point is that regardless of whether Miss Carlisle drowned the rabbits because they were injured and/or dying, that holding up the dead carcasses for a photo was sick. Even worse is the fact that she was smiling. The icing on the cake for me, was posting them on on her Myspacebook page!!!
Maybe this woman and Michael Vick should get together. After all, he's just served his time and now will get a new lucrative football career. She only gets charged with a misdemeanor and won't serve any time even if convicted. They could have a nice future, planning and performing more animal tortures and murders. Go team.
This cretin's MANAGER took the picture of her. Methinks the whole company is rotten from the inside out. I hope the company goes bankrupt so fast their management and stockholders drown themselves in despair. Well it's a nice thought.
As for Mr. Vick and Ms. Carlisle, they should be electrocuted, beaten, forced to fight each other, and finally, drowned and then their bodies buried in a garbage dump. No loss.
THERE IS SIMPLY NO EXCUSE FOR ANIMAL ABUSE, period.
do they sell shovels there?
@usecommonsense
First, skin the rabbit and quarter it. Inject the meat with some apple juice. The next day, get good meat-rub give it good coating. Set your grill up for indirect heat. Sprinkle the rabbit with a little oil so that your rub does not burn, then put the meat on the inactive side of your grill. Once you get a good seared side (about 20 minutes) flip it and finish it out on the other side. Once you bite it, you will see what the apple juice does for the taste of that wascally wabbit.
ARFWOOF That was hilarious - rabbits are evil and sometimes in kahoots with the squirrels...
Animal cruelty needs to be a felony in Ohio not a misdemeanor. As for the NRA gun nuts/hunters on here, if you want to get them going, mention that hunting should be illegal & we want to take all of their guns asap. :) As for Ron Mex-playing drums in the bathroom, really? You need to get out more.
they need to close these stores, they are
ran by untrained employees who are mosty young teens with no animal knowledge, just working for a pay check.
i agree that she and M. Vick should converse. Maybe they were in cahoots? I think that this type of behavior is absolutely abhorrent!! What kind of evil demented person would do such a thing?! This 'girl' is SICK in the head. She needs to be in prison and/or a mental institute and yes, be BANNED from EVER working with or even OWNING animals of ANY sort again. People always wonder why i am so sympathetic to animals and not nearly as caring for humans?! Just think about it. Animals don't hurt or kill out of SPITE or PSYCHOSIS. They do it because its in their nature, its instinct. PEOPLE? Kill and MUTILATE and consciously KNOW what they're doing. Heck, they do it for FUN!? Sick. Sick. SICK. People like Elizabeth Carlisle make me want to throw up and give up on the human race. Absolutely deplorable person.
SOMEONE please put her in jail. Or make this a felony?! Something.
Some of you people are falling for exactly what PETA and Carlisle want you think, "shut down PetLand"
Here's PETA's agenda in their own words... "PETA has called on the owner of Petland chain, Ed Kunzelman, and its president Frank Difatta, to no longer sell rabbits at any of its stores nationwide."
Carlisle's agenda is a little more complex, either she made a bundle from Peta to post that pic or her agenda is to get back at her boss and Petland for whatever reason. But either way they're both getting what they want.
If you haven't clicked on the PETA link above take a look at it, then ask yourself, why would Carlisle let PETA post her pic on the front page of their website? She was a former employee of Petland, and she said her manager took the picture that's posted. So a former disgruntled employee has found a way to bring down the store that fired her (or she quit from), plus possibly her boss.
Try and put aside the animal issue and see beyond that, look at the possiblilties of Peta to use this to further their agenda and Carlisle to make a few bucks, (possibly a lot of bucks) on the side.
Here's the only problem with my theory... Carlisle has to know that she'll need to find a job eventually. I'm part of a large organization and I occasionally sit on committes that are created for the purpose of hiring employees. Once we come down to our last dozen or so applicants, we begin the process of checking Facebook, Twitter, Google and etc as sort of a quick check to see whether the candidates are druggy's, or whatever. Many applicants have been knock out of contention for a position because of what we find. If other companies use this same method, Carlisle will never find employment, especially in the local area. It doesn't make sense if she allowed this to happen unless it was well worth her wild or she's very stupid.
For you folks who think I'm a troll, stick it, no one cares what you think.
Dear fellow animal lovers,
What happened in this Akron Petland was a terrible thing, but whats worse is that these sorts of incidents happen at various Petland locations all the time.
Please try to understand that what you see in the photograph above is just a girl that has been completely desensitized by Petland's frequent abusive practices. Petland is business that cares about income above all else. Is it so hard to believe that they would ask an employee to inhumanely kill an animal, rather than pay for its medical expenses or euthanasia bill? This pet store chain gets all of their puppies from puppy mills, which is a statement in itself that they don't really care about the treatment of their animals.
Regardless, what you see in the above picture is just a person. Yes, she did something wrong and she will be held accountable for her actions, but that doesn't justify doing wrong things to her. By harassing her or posting death threats, you are dehumanizing yourselves and you are not any better than she was.
CHANGE IS GOOD: What are you, her lawyer?? This sounds like her DEFENSE PLOY. You are right about Petland, but if she had even a speck of a CONSCIENCE she A. Would REPORT THEM, B. ADVOCATE for the animals instead of MURDERING THEM AND PUTTING PICTURES OF IT ON FACEBOOK GRINNING FROM EAR TO EAR!!!! And she will get a slap on the wrist So NO MERCY HERE! THE PROOF IS IN THE PICTURE!
Use Common Sense: She didn't LET PETA do squat! Her posting it on FACEBOOK - SOMEONE TIPS THE COPS AND BOOM ! I know cops, they told me they love busting people with their own myspace, facebook, etc!! If you are stupid enough to put it out there, is how they look at it. And her stupidity has never been in question!!
Miss Carlisle is a member/follower of PETA, the police need to search her computer. You read it here first.
WNIR will talk about this story but not the Heaven Can Wait story. We're waiting for you Ericson.
Nancy
The avatar is not me....just something I found on-line that reflects my love for music and perhaps my odd sense of humor. Life is short, lighten-up a little.
On a more relevant note, how can you be pro-abortion, but outraged at the killing of suffering animals? Don't answer. I remember your countless comments on Canton's news site before they started mass censorship (right after the Dems took over........coincidence?)
Changeisgood is correct. Leave the girl alone. She will receive a fitting punishment, and move on. There are more serious issues to deal with. The coming single-payer communist health system is one. The swine-flu hype intending to force more drugs (nonrecreational) into our systems is another. But what is really keeping me up at night is whether or not Led Zeppelin is going to tour. (darn that Allison Kraus)
i bought my cat from there last year. He's my little bud, this kind of sickens me.
But then again, they are just rabbits. If she was drowning babies it would be a different story. Actually no it wouldn't because in this country it's OK to kill babies...i forgot.
sarah860...
I doubt that what you believe she did is true however everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Let's no reason for her to just put this picture up there, there's nothing in it for her. I think she's smarter than you give her credit for.
bubblehead...
"WNIR will talk about this story but not the Heaven Can Wait story."
Didn't his kid run that place?? He'd be crazy to give it anymore media time than it already has had.
Better come arrest me. I was smiling in a picture of a dead deer I shot.
People, People, People…..
Are we still in the United States of America? What ever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty?" Has this become a country of Guilty until proven Innocent? Why are we so quick to judge without knowing all the facts? She has been charged not convicted. A picture can be taken out of context. We really don't know where, when or it why was taken and how, who or why it was posted on facebook. Almost everyone here has made judgments against this American woman without knowing the full truth. The only people who know what really happened are the actual people involved. Everyone has a right to their personal ideals, but prejudging someone guilty before they have a chance to prove their innocence is ignorant and unconstitutional. Let the courts handle this case and be happy our judicial system still allows a person to be deemed innocent until proven guilty, for all our sakes.
@kentsucks,,
"then again there just rabbits"...are you serious? you belong in Kent.
Ron Mexico...
By the way, thanks for the receipe, when my wife cooks rabbits or squirrels it's usually shake and bake.
Choa! (hee hee)
trouble4every1-- She said in her own words that she put the picture on facebook herself and that her manager told her to "be quiet" since people were still outside in the mall shopping, so the girl was swearing at the rabbits to "just die." And she said she did it to get a rise out of her boyfriend. She posted it herself and said her boss was "kind enough" to take the picture for her.
No sane person can smile while near, let alone holding, a dead animal they just killed. Read other articles, ones that actually have facts. Watch the news, the manager and her made a video of their "fun event."
There is no logical reason why anyone would kill an innocent animal and be happy about it. If they were euthanizing it due to injuries, it should have been handeled by a vet and made sure they did not feel the pain.
My rabbits are my children. I wouldn't dare harm an animal just as much as I wouldn't dare harm a child. They can feel as much pain as a person. But clearly you have no morals nor a soul.
@ bunmum
You don't anything about me, so for you say I have no morals or a soul- is exactly the kind of person who prejudges people and therefore ignorant. You made my point. Thanks! You should have left your insults out of your comment.
trouble4every1: You don't know the facts. Bunmum is right, there is NO QUESTION of guilt here. The evidence is overwhelming and there is NO DEFENSE FOR WHAT SHE DID.
Helpless domestic baby bunnies cannot defend themselves, WE must defend them.
@kentsucks,
"But then again, they are just rabbits." Are you kidding? Suppose it was kittens? You said you got a cat from there and he's your bud. Do kittens trump rabbits or something? wow. A pet is a pet is a pet and someone prefers rabbits over cats, I assure you.
This story troubled me but what is almost as troubling is everyone's posts. One person was accused of "clearly not having a soul". Another person is a very sick human being who needs counseling. Yesterday, I was told to continue to stare at my blank TV while I drool all over myself. Who says this stuff?! My, aren't we brave when we can anonymously post insults at one another? I'm sure your bravado does not extend past your keyboard, however. Perhaps rather than insulting each other, you could use that anger in a positive way by calling/writing Petland or handing out flyers in front of their Youngstown store. Heck, find the phone number for Liz Carlisle and insult her, or, is that too much work? It is a lot easier to just post insults at others who probably are just saying things to get a rise out of you.
OK...I'm off my high horse and ready for insults to be flung my way. Give it your best shot...I'm going to stare at my blank TV now.
I dont even know what to say if the animals were injured and needed to be put down then fine put them down but there is sure a more humane way to do it than to drown them and then of all things to do to take photos and reguardless if you post them or not in my opinion just to take the photos in the first place is kinda messed up i think they should be punished but in reguards to the owners and corporate head quartes how in the H E double hockey sticks were they to know that this was going on i believe whole hartedly that they knew no such thing was going on
didn't serial killers kill animals first, wonder where her next job will be, Children's Hospital?
First of all, I don't condone what this woman did. I think anyone who can kill an animal for revenge or their own enjoyment is SICK in the head. That said....
Everyone posting on here who is so outraged are vegetarians, right?! I mean you couldn't possibly be so hostile about the subject of animal cruelty and sit down and eat a hamburger or chicken wings. You do now how THOSE animals are killed right? Slit throats, wring their necks, electric prods, hit betweent the eyes with a metal stake. You certainly couldn't eat a bite of meat because those poor, adorable little animals were killed.
That's what I thought.
This girl is twisted. I guess she thought she was Dr. Kervorkian or something. Watch her cry in court talking about how sorry she is. Somebody needs to put her head in the toilet and flush it. She is cruel.
NCMom,
it doesn't mean we are vegetarians. Killing animals to eat and killing them for the heck of it are two different things. People that do with this woman did, sometimes end up being on American's Most Wanted or something because they heartlessly killed a human. sometimes killing animals as a joke are just the start or something even more cruel.
It upon occasion tis observed that some unruly brigands need the maximum measure necessary to inflict a wound that not only purifies character but wounds pride as well. Then there are those beyond sanity that darkly enters madness that only deserves condemnation and isolation by far prey tell.
I wish the people felt this way about children and good government. We can have bad government that is ok with doing away with humans but dont kill an animal.
If you don't like animals...STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THEM!!
~I LOVE WABBIT STEW~
DinnrBellmel: Try not to judge this person based solely on the picture you see above. It is unfortunate to read that you would encourage people to call her and harass her. What good would that possible do? If you get any pleasure out of causing her to suffer, than you should not consider yourself any better than the person you assume she is.
I believe that this picture was only taken and posted to shock people.
bunmum: If the quotes that you have listed are true, then consider the possibility that she had said them because she wasn't enjoying what she was doing. To me, the words "just die" show that she wanted it to be over as quickly as possible. For those of you that don't know, she was only killing the rabbits in order to end their suffering, because they had sustained severe injuries after attacking each other repeatedly for a number of days.
I completely agree that the rabbits should have been humanely euthanized. However, Petland is a business, therefore they prefer to make money rather than spend money. If she hadn't done it, surely another employee would have.
NCmom: you are absolutely right. Anyone upset by the image of drowned rabbits, if you aren't a vegetarian, then you should be aware that you are supporting animal abuse far worse than this with every piece of meat that you consume.
Auntie: It is alarming to read that you think she is a cruel person, and then also read that you think she should have her head flushed in a toilet. I will say the same thing to you that I said to dinnrbellmel
"If you get any pleasure out of causing her to suffer, than you should not consider yourself any better than the person you assume she is".
It is unfair to call anyone heartless based on a picture, although what she did was wrong. As everyone here that has judged her may know, good people do bad things all the time.
This makes me sick. We bought 2 rabbits from that pet store. The first one died the night we brought it home. They gave us a second one and that one had some kind of tumor on it's back after a couple of weeks. I took it to our vet and she said that there was nothing she could do for it. She said to take it back to the store and make sure that they had a policy of humanly caring for this sick animal, if not, to bring it back to her. I took it back and they refunded my money and assured me that they would care for the animal. They had a vet that took care of the animals and that the rabbit would be treated humanly....now of course I am wondering....
The cruelty against all animals at all Petland stores is horrific. Price gouged & mass bred animals (from puppy mills and other horrific breeders) need to be stopped. Not only are these animals often sick or brain damaged, many of these neglected pets are just given to shelters or put down. Send a message by boycotting all Petland stores!
I feel sorry for those rabbits & any other animal that enters a pet store. Most pet stores get their pets from unqualified breeders & puppy mills. Adopt an animal from a rescue group & work to get FELONY convictions for animal cruelty not misdemeanors.
