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Dad arrested after paddling of son

By Associated Press

HARRISON, OHIO: An Ohio man has been jailed on domestic violence charges after police say he excessively paddled his 10-year-old son.

Police in the Cincinnati suburb of Harrison say county children's services workers turned over their investigative findings and photos of alleged abuse. That led to the arrest Thursday night of 35-year-old Robert Gibson, who was being held without bond today. Court records do not list an attorney for him.

Police say Gibson used a homemade wooden paddle.

HARRISON, OHIO: An Ohio man has been jailed on domestic violence charges after police say he excessively paddled his 10-year-old son.

Police in the Cincinnati suburb of Harrison say county children's services workers turned over their investigative findings and photos of alleged abuse. That led to the arrest Thursday night of 35-year-old Robert Gibson, who was being held without bond today. Court records do not list an attorney for him.

Police say Gibson used a homemade wooden paddle.




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GURL ONE
CANTON, oh

Posted 11:31 AM, 11/13/2009

FREE DAD..SPARE THE ROD and SPOIL THE CHILD


majykman775
Akron, OH

Posted 11:44 AM, 11/13/2009

They have photos and such that must back up their case. So maybe he went to the extreme. There could be deep bruises or even some cuts. To me that is excessive. But I still think a poorly behaved child deserves a few good swats on their hind end.


deidre
Canton, OH

Posted 11:47 AM, 11/13/2009

be interesting to see what excessive paddling is. Crazy that strangers can hit kids in Walmart, and not get in trouble but parents get in trouble for paddling their own kids.
However - i won't make a judgement until we hear more - maybe it was abusive.


Jason12
Macedonia, Oh

Posted 11:52 AM, 11/13/2009

Get the details. The headline is designed to get the pro-child beaters up in arms with their pitch forks, bibles and torches.

Something tells me this was not a paddling but an assault or a beating with bruises and wounds. If dad was arrested, then we have two legal entities that agree that this is an alleged abuse case.

The people in charge of making judgement calls every day made the judgement call. It's called their job. I suppose the rest of you have some sort of magical knowledge which trumps the professionals. Of course you do...you always do now don't ya?


Kristina

Posted 11:53 AM, 11/13/2009

I bet that child is well behaved. That is the problem with today's children, they receive no discipline and rules and they run crazy.
FREE THE DAD, and good for him.


spd3333
Anti-Politically Correct & Anti-GOP, OH

Posted 11:55 AM, 11/13/2009

What the hell? Maybe the kid needed a good paddling, just like the majority of these brats running around these days.


rm
akron, oh

Posted 12:03 PM, 11/13/2009

@kristina... There is a big difference between a child who is well behaved out of respect and an appropriate amount of fear, and one who is well behaved out of a very real fear for their own well being. A child who is beaten by his parents will many times look like a well behaved child to others, but is simply just too scared to act any other way. And that fear takes over every part of their lives. What kind of life to you think that is? And what kind of adult do you think that produces?

There is no reason that a child should be disciplined in any way that would leave injuries or marks on their bodies for more than a few minutes. Nor should a child be verbally or emotionally abused.


peebs02
Canal Fulton, Oh

Posted 12:14 PM, 11/13/2009

The story says "alleged abuse".So it must be pretty bad to put him in jail over it.Some people just think they are big people and they feel superior when they do acts like this.Its disgusting.Poor kid,I feel bad for him.
Even tho I agree with most of you that say kids need to be reprimanded.To many parents anymore let the kids rule the roost and its not teaching them anything.I raised my kids to be good adults.You have to.You cant kiss their as*es and let them run amok and do whatever.You can't be their friend either,you have to parent!!!!


A Different TonyZ

Posted 12:19 PM, 11/13/2009

I would like to hear more details about how much this kid was beaten, BUT with the little information that was given, I have a hard time agreeing with the Government stepping in on this.

I do plan on beating the heck out of my kids when i have them, so for allyou bleeding hearts out there...you can stereotype right now if you'd like. :)


Poster
Akron, OH

Posted 12:21 PM, 11/13/2009

It is one thing to pull off your belt. It is an entirely other matter to make a wooden paddle like you are in some fraternity or some scheisse. That is the clue right there. You don't get enthusiastic with discipline.


Big Apples Guy
new york, ny

Posted 12:21 PM, 11/13/2009

New York news are reporting severe beating with a homemade wooden spoon. Must be pretty excessive for no bail......but like speed3333 said, maybe he needed it.,right!!! And Kristina says free the good Dad., right again!! OMG


Poster
Akron, OH

Posted 12:21 PM, 11/13/2009

paddle = getting into it a little bit too much.


Boost2525
Akron, Oh

Posted 12:32 PM, 11/13/2009

Kid probably had it coming. My mom broke the paddle out on me a few times growing up - and let me tell you, it changes your entire way of thinking. The next time I went to do something that I KNEW was wrong... I had a serious internal monologue about whether or not it was paddle-worthy. I still misbehaved, but it kept the serious stuff at bay.


WLFN
akron, OH

Posted 12:33 PM, 11/13/2009

Let's set up a defense fund for dad


Boost2525
Akron, Oh

Posted 12:34 PM, 11/13/2009

Also, at the folks who seem to think that a paddle is some sort of twisted sexual S&M thing... grow up. My mother was from Germany and a wooden paddle is a very standard old-world practice. In fact, her paddle has been passed from mother to mother for many generations.


TheLurker
Akron, OH

Posted 12:35 PM, 11/13/2009

I am continually amazed at the number of people who can reach a conclusion with almost no facts.


NORVELL77
AKRON, OH

Posted 12:56 PM, 11/13/2009

AND WE WONDER WHAT'S WRONG WITH TODAY'S KIDS....I TRIED THIS ONE WHEN I WAS A KID AND MY FATHER'S REPLY WAS "GOOD CALL THE POLICE AND WHEN I GET HOME FROM JAIL AND YOU GET HOME FROM THE DH, I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER DOSE FOR BEING STUPID"...TOOK CARE OF MY SMART REMARKS FOR THE DAY!!! I WAS SPANKED AS A CHILD AND AS AN ADULT APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE HAD I NOT BEEN DISCIPLINED I WOULD BE PART OF OUR OUT OF CONTROL LAZY YOUNGER GENTERATION....THAT HAS NO RESPECT FOR THEIR ELDERS....


stleo
akron, oh

Posted 01:01 PM, 11/13/2009

I grew up with worse. My parents used a steel yardstick to beat us with. The ptsd that caused was huge. I survived, and this kid will, too.


stephend6
AKRON, OH

Posted 01:09 PM, 11/13/2009

Remember the Kenmore boys, children's services stated the woman did nothing wrong.and that was domestic violence.These wackos children's services workers Don't want men touching their children.Look at this world now.paddled his 10-year-old son He needed it.Parent are responsible for the raising of their children.


murphy

Posted 01:11 PM, 11/13/2009

@NORVELL77
Thank you and so very true. Kids now don't get any discipline..That is why they do whatever they want and hurt whomever they want. In thier minds it is ok...


MaryAnn
akron, oh

Posted 01:26 PM, 11/13/2009

I am sure there is more to this story. I agree today's kids do not receive any type of discipline. Perhaps that is why our jails, prison systems are overcrowded. So much for training our youth for the future.


Class of 68
Green, OH

Posted 01:46 PM, 11/13/2009

Whippings from my dad were done with either a belt or a sturdy wooden yardstick. He worked for a lumber company, so there was never a time when sturdy wooden yardsticks were in short supply.

Swats with a wooden paddle were also the standard punishment (for boys) in the Akron Public Schools for many, many years.

Back then, punishment left marks. This incident would have to be particularly bad to rise above what was standard practice just a few decades ago.


frank
Akron, OH

Posted 02:06 PM, 11/13/2009

Jason12 said: "Something tells me this was not a paddling but an assault or a beating with bruises and wounds."

I agree. There is a difference between physical discipline and abuse. Actually, Ohio's legal definition between the two states that abuse is considered when marks/wounds last for more than 24 hours. As a parent, I agree with that definition, and believe any "discipline" that leaves marks that long is in fact excessive.

Of course, this DOES NOT dictate how physical discipline can be administered - be it with a hand, belt, paddle, wooden spoon, etc. etc. etc. That, too, is fine by me. My grandma - rest her soul - broke countless wooden spoons and wooden yardsticks over my backside, and only when I deserved it. My parents used a paddle that was 5" wide, 2' long and 1/2" thick - again, when I deserved it. And I am thankful they did because it made me the person I am today, and not some lowlife lingering in jail or on the streets.

Some time ago on NPR I heard an article that said the Ohio PTA actually RECOMMENDED that parents physically discipline their children, so long as that discipline did not cross the line into abuse (as defined above - of course). Too bad there aren't more parents in the ghettos who DO physically discipline their litters of kids - I'd imagine we have a lot less gang-bangers out there if they did.


Watching it all
Cuyahoga Falls, OH

Posted 02:35 PM, 11/13/2009

Bubblehead? Anything to add? Surely you know something of these types of things.


b4icroke
Akron, Oh

Posted 02:51 PM, 11/13/2009

I think the kid wanted a HOODY


average86
Akron, OH

Posted 03:05 PM, 11/13/2009

@frank: re: litters --> LMAO!!


angelo
akron, oh

Posted 06:36 PM, 11/13/2009

My dad AND mom would probably both be doing back to back life sentences for spanking me with(the home made wooden paddle) by todays standards!


Chicita
Acworth, GA

Posted 07:06 PM, 11/13/2009

There is not enough info. stated here to know if the judgement made was valid. Use of the word ,"excessively," implies that the paddeling was beyond a light hit on the behind. If police agree that it was excessive then I would think there was a problem. In this case it sounds like,"better safe than sorry". The child is defenseless.


r3rjr

Posted 07:29 PM, 11/13/2009

BRING CORPORAL PUNISHMENT BACK TO SCHOOL!


2leggedzoo
Metairie, LA

Posted 07:58 PM, 11/13/2009

Teach your children.

Violence is power.


AsTimeGoesBy
Akron, OH

Posted 08:00 PM, 11/13/2009

frank--

The problem with children and discipline in low income areas isn't that the parents don't use physical punishment, it's that the parents are all too often unfair, unreasonable, out of control, and inconsistent. And I promise you, they will beat their kids ANY time it suits them.

The solution to raising well-behaved kids isn't physical discipline or no physical discipline.....it's being fair and CONSISTENT and FOLLOWING THROUGH.


ProChoiceLiberal
ProChoice, OH

Posted 08:10 PM, 11/13/2009

Paddling is wrong. All it does is teach kids to hit. You have to be smarter & control yourself as an adult & find ALTERNATIVE Non-Violent ways to discipline kids. I'm glad Children's Services intervened b/c I've seen several kids whose parents lost it & smacked them WAY too hard in public. They should be arrested & prosecuted asap.


bubblehead
Tallmadge, OH

Posted 09:32 PM, 11/13/2009

Gurl One:

You haven't a clue as to what that phrase means and the way you typed it makes no sense. The phrase has never made sense to me or to any other knowledgeable person.


ggreen1794
Canton, OH

Posted 10:08 PM, 11/13/2009

Just beacuse you're the Dad doesen't mean you can beat up your kid. Those days are gone.


Lisa

Posted 11:14 PM, 11/13/2009

to peebs02:
they have to state it is "alleged abuse" because although he has been arrested, he has not gone to court yet and found guilty, Hence the word "alleged" abuse. This is journalism 101.


reveregrad75

Posted 12:00 AM, 11/14/2009

The Lurker,,,i totally agree,,,AND i believe in swats!!!


RON
akron, OH

Posted 03:01 AM, 11/14/2009

My mother had the old fashioned wooden spoon....when we deserved it... WE GOT IT...along with a high heeled shoe in the head....Jeez, that woman could throw!!!!!and hit you like a bullseye....Itialians mother's rule


Wakeup People !
Akron, Oh

Posted 05:35 AM, 11/14/2009

I am a father, I don't disagree with a good swat on the behind when appropriate... this was uncalled for.

"9News obtained the incident report from Harrison Police.

According to the document, the 10-year-old boy's mother and father, who do not live together, decided that their son should receive a spanking for getting Cs and Ds on his report card in early November.

According to Harrison Police, the boy's mother, who lives in Green Township, contacted
Children's Services about injuries to her child.

Police say Gibson told them he used a homemade wooden paddle to hit his son five times.

Children's Services took photos of the boy's injuries. Police describe them as "severe bruising and skin parching of the boy's entire buttocks."


Lost Lives
Akron, Oh

Posted 05:51 AM, 11/14/2009

There you have it. I could use a good spanking.


htlong
mayberry, oh

Posted 07:03 AM, 11/14/2009

my mother used a wooden spoon,and when she broke it on me she handed me a block of wood and a chisel and I was told to make her a new spoon.......this is how I got so good at woodworking......anyone need a custom made spoon?

nothing wrong with corporal punishment in schools, I would always take 3 swats and get on with my life rather than serve 3 detentions

@lost lives.....call me!!!!!!


guitar_girl
Canal Fulton, OH

Posted 07:20 AM, 11/14/2009

My oldest brother had a very short temper as a child. I've seen my Mom whip him, then go into the other room and cry because she had to beat him so hard to get him to submit to authority. He's in his 60's now and says that he fears what would have become of him had she not "stuck it out" with him. Kids today are spoiled rotten because their yuppy parents don't spend any time with them, just give them whatever they want. The yuppies created this situation with the youth. Unfortunately, we all have to pay the price.


voltman
CuyahogaFalls, oh

Posted 07:52 AM, 11/14/2009

A good swat or two never hurt any kid. God only knows, I had a few. It taught me a lesson really quick. I never had any bruises though. Maybe he crossed the ling with the paddle. I'd like to see what damage he did before I'd pass judgement!!

Nice avatar lost lives!!!!!


Nadine

Posted 08:37 AM, 11/14/2009

This is why I have trouble with the whole parenting thing.....it seems like a really thin line that I am afraid of crossing....my parents did the belt thing and we all came out all right...funny the school gave my kid a card with a whole list of numbers on who to contact in case of abuse, etc; She has child abuse programmed into her phone. BTW, she is 12 and taller than me...it's tough to go the spanking route at that age and size! Guess I should have done it when she was smaller....but as parents of this generation we have been told time and again...spanking is not good discipline....it's tough trying to parent today!


rox4
doylestown, oh

Posted 08:40 AM, 11/14/2009

i think the problem with our kids and crimes is due to lack of spanking my mom would use whatever she coulg get her hands on and my dad used a big thick belt and i got when i deserved it the kid needed spanked. sounds like a set up from the mom either way good ol spanking is the way to go. maybe we wouldnt have so many punks on the streets if they had soimeone they feared a little bit like mom and dad


gg

Posted 10:01 AM, 11/14/2009

Maybe this guy made the mistake of spanking his kid in front of someone or left marks.


peebs02
Canal Fulton, Oh

Posted 10:50 AM, 11/14/2009

@LISA,
Read everything I posted before you decided to give me a lesson.Count to ten before you post,cuz usually its all wrong the first time.


Cedrick McCoy
NAVY... Born in Akron, OH

Posted 11:26 AM, 11/14/2009

Sooooo they are encouraging an ignorant youth in stating that it is now wrong to "excessively" paddle your child.. The last time I checked it was not wrong to spank as long as you are not abbusing them and leaving marks. But hey what do I know I am just a dumb parent who does not know any better right???? Give me a break.


Crime of the Century
Cuyahoga Falls, OH

Posted 11:48 AM, 11/14/2009

Nothing makes me tune out faster than the keywords "kids today." Until somebody can find a way around that phrase, I'm not listening to another word they have to say.


KathleenD
Tallmadge, Oh

Posted 11:49 AM, 11/14/2009

When I was in high school in the late 60's all of the guys got paddled. I saw a paddle with holes in it for less resitance. ie: more pain


2leggedzoo
Metairie, LA

Posted 11:59 AM, 11/14/2009

The 60s were fun. So were the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

But, living in the past is a sad thing.


bibliophile
Demolition Falls, OH

Posted 12:11 PM, 11/14/2009

@KathleenD

I've met with the paddle that you speak of. I received a couple of "swats" with it in high school, simply for "goofing around" once in study hall. The paddle was a heavy leather belt, about 5 inches wide and 18 inches long, with holes in it, and a handle attached to one end. The guy who administered the punishment to me weighed in at about 300 lbs., and I think that he put every ounce he had into it. I had welts on my arse for a week! I'm not complaining though, as I have made an extra effort to be a good citizen ever since.


IWillSurvive
Akron, OH

Posted 12:20 PM, 11/14/2009

Honest grownups admit that sometimes, an obnoxious kid needs a good whack on the rear end to let them know you mean business . . after the "time-out" turns out to be a joke.

But in this story above, there are too many details missing, like the mother who might be under the spell of a true wife beater for years, and the guy takes it out on the kids to maker her suffer. More info is needed.

The best performance Farrah Fawcett ever did was in "The Burning Bed". Prosecutors and judges ought to watch it.





frank
Akron, OH

Posted 01:00 PM, 11/14/2009

AsTimeGoesBy - I couldn't agree more. You're 100% right, and thanks for the clarification!

ProChoiceLiberal - paddling is not wrong. Paddling as the primary form of punishment is wrong. Many have found that time-out/corner-standing works, as does the whole "go to your room". HOWEVER, there WILL come a point and time when your child WILL NOT obey those orders, and spanking and/or paddling is in order. I've found this is needed only once or twice a year (with my kid, anyhow) because they forget how painful the alternative to going to the corner can be. And it does NOT teach them to hit - it teaches them that physical violence should be used ONLY as an absolute last resort. You obviously don't have kids or you would know that yourself.

Wakeup said: Children's Services took photos of the boy's injuries. Police describe them as "severe bruising and skin parching of the boy's entire buttocks." - I just wanted to thank you for the additional information on this article. This is absolutely abuse and I am upset that in the US we can't sentence this guy to a caning to give him an idea of what he dished out.

Nadine - I would suggest you tell your kid that if she's going to call the child abuse line on you that she better be 100% sure that any welts you leave are going to last more than 24 hours, otherwise they can charge her with making a false report and throw her in juvy hall. You need to let he know that you know what the line between discipline and abuse is, and that she better darn well know where that line is too! Pull the old "crying wolf" lesson on her, if you catch my drift...


HossB
Akron, Oh

Posted 02:13 PM, 11/14/2009

Paddle the kid now... or let him shoot up a school later. Wasn't there just an incident in cincinnati where a little boy stabbed another little boy because he didn't give him his lunch money? Getting spanked should be mandatory for all kids... get them ready for the real world. I get spanked more now by government,banks,ect... than I did when I was a kid.
On the other hand. If the police didnt intervene, people like the hazel street nuts would probably still be at it. Although, it took someone elses child to be violated before they did get involved.

Sitting a kid in time-out doesnt always cut it. Do you think they are in the corner thinking about what they did wrong? Nope, they're thinking about what they're gonna do when they get out and how they can do it without getting caught. Similar to convicts. How many felons do you know clean up their act after spending time in "the corner"?

I vote 3 spankings a day for all kids,except mine, they're good kids.


fallentrinity
Akron, Oh

Posted 02:34 PM, 11/14/2009

Sadly, it is precisely cases like this that make parents afraid to discipline their children at all. When parents are afraid, the kid gets away with murder because it knows it can. Folks, we are living in an era that punishes parents for sending kids to bed without supper, or not allowing the child to watch its' favorite tv show - old standards of punishment that many of us were raised with. I firmly believe in spanking children for life threatening situations - either theirs or others. The spanking should not leave marks or create a situation where hospitalization is required, but enough to make an impact on the child that the behavior is not acceptable. If you spank a child for everything they do, it loses its impact and the spanking is meaningless to them.
I appeal to all parents out there - watch your children, take responsibility and make them behave. We are raising a generation of weak minded little fools who think the world owes them something. When they find out it doesn't owe them a thing, they act out and we wind up with people like Sowell up in Cleveland. There needs to be reform on what agencies can punish parents for - I'm sorry, but if it is reasonable punishment, then there is nothing wrong with it. I have no idea what the circumstances were in this case, and neither does anyone else - it would be wrong for us to sit back and judge without knowing the details.


BG
Toledo, OH

Posted 06:36 PM, 11/14/2009

Basically, the law says that physical discipline of your child which results in an injury that requires medical treament is abuse.

Even those in favor of physical discipline can't approve of discpline to a child that requires a trip to the hospital. I hope.


portagelakesguy
Green, Ohio

Posted 07:26 PM, 11/14/2009

People always comment to me how well behaved my kids are and how well they listen. I have never had to hit one of them. I grew up in a family that had various methods to handle issues. I can say this. If you stay up on whats going on and you don't let anything slide by, you can effectively raise great kids without any form of physical beating. You have to do the right things before they are 5 years old and if you do, it all works out just fine.


Obama2009
kent, oh

Posted 09:40 PM, 11/14/2009

I knew a lady who carried around a wooden spoon for hers. They would get out of line. She would say, "you want me to get the spoon?" They would hush or behave immediately. It was amazing. They are grown and in college now and are wonderful kids and they love their parents dearly.


quikey
akron, oh

Posted 11:06 PM, 11/14/2009

I got the paddle, had my hair pulled, and got switched with a branch from a tree...
Today I'm an upstanding citizen with a job and a house. It doesn't hurt them, it helps them !!


steve57
Elizabeth, wv

Posted 01:52 AM, 11/15/2009

I think it's bad when somebody writes a comment and it gets deleted


bubblehead
Tallmadge, OH

Posted 06:41 AM, 11/15/2009

steve57:

If 20% of my comments aren't censored, I'm having a good day.


A Voice
Akron, , OH

Posted 08:41 AM, 11/15/2009

excessive!


ProChoiceLiberal
ProChoice, OH

Posted 10:30 AM, 11/15/2009

What is wrong w/people? This is CHILD ABUSE! Parents who have NO Personal SElf-Control, (ie-spankers), should step away & find ALTERNATIVE forms to discipline kids. If I see a parent getting out of hand, I'd talk to them first & then if they don't realize what they're doing, turn them in ASAP!


gary

Posted 11:52 AM, 11/15/2009

I don't think anyone can deny the fact that the laws have protected many a child who cried abuse when basically they were getting the paddling they deserved. Child services, in my opinion,overlooks way too many real cases of real abuse. How many articles have been published in the last 20 years about a severe case of child abuse that was left unattended by child services? Seems like way too many to me. As far as this particular article, we don't know enough of the details to make a decision. I agree with Nadine that it is very difficult to raise a child now. I also agree that discipline has to be started at a young age. The law and child services have enough power that they should be capable of determining what is abuse and what is not without bias. Trouble is they don't always do that and sometimes they end up letting an abusive parent get away with murder and then it's too late. My mother paddled me several times as a child with one of those rick-rack paddles.I never had bruises or welts just a red behind for a few minutes. My dad had such a powerful voice that he rarely had to resort to paddling. I never even gave it a thought to call for help. Why? Because I knew nothing about it and figured I deserved the paddling. Today, schools are telling children about the numbers they can call to report abuse and are painting a picture of discipline as abuse in my opinion. Anyone who paddles a child and leaves bruises or any kind of marks other than a red behind for a few minutes is being abusive. They need to educate the children as to the difference between being disciplined and being abused. The children need to know that by reporting their parents or teachers for abuse when they know it isn't that they will be disciplined for lying. And the parents and teachers need to know that if that if they are not capable of disciplining a child without excessive force and proper control that they will be in a heap of trouble.


fallentrinity
Akron, Oh

Posted 01:23 PM, 11/15/2009

Yeah - those "alternative" methods of discipline are oh-so-effective. And yes, I am being sarcastic. My kids got spanked when they did something that endangered their life or someone elses. It made an impression. Now, I have only to raise my voice or change my tone and they obey. My kids came out well and are some of the nicest behaved, respectful kids I know. If you can't control your kids, they'll wind up on the news for killing their mom, selling drugs, or whatever. Take some accountability for your kids people! I am so sick of these ill mannered, disrespectful brats running around that have parents who have just shrugged their shoulders and given up. I was spanked with a belt when I was a kid and I never considered it abuse. I never spanked my kids using any object, but I certainly got my point across.
Kids - pull up your pants, shut your mouth and listen to what you are told by your elders and betters - behave, go to school, put down the needle or the bottle and learn how to be a proper adult!


Spirit of Reagan
Richfield, OH

Posted 02:35 PM, 11/15/2009

The Asst Principal at my junior high had a homemade paddle. Is the a statute of limitations on this ....


Spirit of Reagan
Richfield, OH

Posted 02:37 PM, 11/15/2009

Jason12 - there are examples of the "professionals" failing and leaving kids in abusive situations and examples when they take kids away for something stupid.


IT
Munroe Falls, Oh

Posted 05:30 PM, 11/15/2009

Some people like to be ran by a 2 legged rule but I run a 3 legged kingdom.


envirodesignsolutions
akron, oh

Posted 06:56 PM, 11/15/2009

Bravo DAD, if more parents actually cared about how their kids acted, todays youth wouldn't act like the wild animals they do. God forbid they worry about all the rapists and molesters like they do a father disciplining his child. Our laws are ridiculous in this regard. Funny they didnt let you know what the kid did to deserve it! What's wrong with society today? He was just an easy target for someone sitting behind a desk on a power trip. I'm all for protecting kids from abuse but this is a dad being a dad.


Big Apples Guy
new york, ny

Posted 08:32 PM, 11/15/2009

@envirodesign; Police say the injuries were caused by severe paddling with a homemade wood paddle. Gibson is charged with endangering children and domestic violence. Temporary restraining orders were also placed on Gibson to keep away from the home. Bravo to this dad who was just being a dad!! Boy this kid must have really done something bad to make this dad be such a good dad!! Frigen ridiculous laws we have. Can't even beat our own kids.


Bud Wiser
Wadsworth, OH

Posted 08:39 PM, 11/15/2009

I hope there is more to this story such as why he's being held without bond. I thought that was reserved for murderers, terrorists, and the like.


bams67
Akron, Oh

Posted 10:35 PM, 11/15/2009

prochoiceliberal,
Tell me I cant smack my kid when they are acting out in public and not listening and your goning to get smacked next!


Eagle45
Port Saint Lucie, Fl

Posted 04:34 AM, 11/16/2009

If that was abuse I wonder it would have been called when I attended school in the 50's and 60's!I was paddled with what might be called a "crickett type paddle"with holes drilled in it.Either went up in front of class or out into the hall and grab the ankles,get my drift?The boys councellor even had a razor strap in his drawer.Good ol'Kenmore Jr./Sr.High School class of "64". Ken Price


RON
akron, OH

Posted 06:38 AM, 11/16/2009

Being a Parent...my motto is....A good smack will stop them from doing Jack!!!!Nobody deserves a beating with a belt or board...nobody....but a good Lickin'when they deserve it is ok in my book....Parents....DO NOT BEAT YOUR KIDS!..They are not a punching bag.....Go to the GYM!!!!!



akron, OH

Posted 06:45 AM, 11/16/2009

I GUESS IT'S CALLED A GOOD OLE FASSIONED ITIALIAN BACKHAND.....I REMEMBERED AS A KID NOT TO DO IT AGAIN


Michael

Posted 08:06 AM, 11/16/2009

First, not enough facts in the story to draw conclusions. I'm pretty confident that the parent was likely abusive, but who could know from this piece? But the idea that using a paddle is abusive under any circumstances is insane. We used to get paddled in our public SCHOOL.

The use of an instrument like paddle to administer a swat can be purposeful. It makes the instrument the object of fear rather than the parent... no paddle in sight, no fear. Paddle comes out of the drawer, time to straighten up.

Any punishment is effective or ineffective based on how consistently and fairly it is applied. If the child fears punishment of any sort because because the parent is unpredictable ("I have no idea how my parent is going to react to things, they are paddling me because I made them mad rather than because I deliberately broke a clear rule, and I have no idea exactly what I did that made them so mad"), it will create bad fear. If the child understands that they willfully decided to disobey a clear rule, and that they are going to be punished for that very fact and not for a simple mistake or because the anger level of the parent has been pushed past some unclear line, it will create a healthy fear that the parent will simply do exactly what they have said they will do.

Parents who do nothing but verbally correct kids who are clearly disobeying until they reach a breaking point of frustration and anger and then scream and express resentment and anger at the kids are creating more confusion, dysfunction and "abuse" than a rational parent adminstering restrained corporal punishment in a predictable way.


portagelakesguy
Green, Ohio

Posted 08:22 AM, 11/16/2009

How about all of you get the exact same punishment the child got, then make the decision if it was abuse or not. A paddle can be just enough to be a deterrent or it can be more than enough and cause bodily harm. I think we cam all agree on that or I hope we can.

And I said it earlier, I have two of the best, well behaved kids. They have respect for me and others, they have fear of doing something wrong and suffering the consequences and I have never had to lay a hand on them. My children want to do the right things and of course they make mistakes, but it is how the parent handles the situation and them self that makes the difference.


ProChoiceLiberal
ProChoice, OH

Posted 09:45 AM, 11/16/2009

@portagelakesguy, BRAVO! Well said! You don't have to beat/spank/paddle your kids IF you're a good parent & know how to control your emotions & look for alternate ways to discipline kids.
@bams67, I believe you but you need to understand, you abuse your kid in public you CAN go to jail & if you attack me in public, that's ASSAULT & you go to jail. Try Anger Management & Parenting Classes.


RittmanInsider
Rittman, Oh

Posted 10:39 AM, 11/16/2009

I think parents should be locked up who do not paddle thier cildren when necessary. That is child neglect.


degoray

Posted 11:04 AM, 11/16/2009

That is why the kids today get into trouble because you cant do anything to them, and they do what they want and when they end up in jail, thats their problem. I would like to see the spanking and punishment come back, they might be as wild as they are now. I never had kids, but I know all about them. They need a good spanking, not a beating, but they need to respect their parents like we had to do, and all of uss turned out ok, we dont have any alcoholics or druggies in our family, because we were brought up pretty good. We got it when we deserved it, and thats why we ended up being good and none of us out in the street, and we come from a very large family.


gg

Posted 11:35 AM, 11/16/2009

Bibliophile---That deviant fat slob from your school should be in prison for abuse and child endangering. I'm all for diciplining children but come on.


btown-via-capcity
columbus, oh

Posted 12:02 PM, 11/16/2009

Let that Father go home, back to work! These kids today are off the hook! I have a teenager in my house and I am living for the day that she graduates and starts her own life. Kids today are so disprespectful, do not want to listen, and think they know it all. I want my teenager to see first hand how it is. Once your out, no coming back! Good Luck, best wishes! what ever. I have done my job and a good one at that, so if you were sitting back and not listening, do not blame me.


Socialist in Charge
tallmadge, OH

Posted 12:03 PM, 11/16/2009

I hope he sues and wins BIG!


Just_Browsing_2

Posted 12:35 PM, 11/16/2009

Boy, some of you people had parents who were sadists.


bonnie.reedtwc
akron, oh

Posted 12:53 PM, 11/16/2009

Good for Dad I stand behind him all the way because if you let your children get away with things then later on in life they will be in jail, so I am for whipping my kids my children are all grown and I have grandchildren and to this day my children know that Mom dont play she will still whip them even if they are grown. So people when your children are acting unruley and not listening to you and what you say then yes whip them because nothing will get their attention like a good spanking!!


northcoastbreeze
Cleveland, oh

Posted 12:56 PM, 11/16/2009

Does this mean Sister Angelica will be arrested too?


RittmanInsider
Rittman, Oh

Posted 01:03 PM, 11/16/2009

"Does this mean Sister Angelica will be arrested too?"

Christians are automatocally hated and considered evil in these forums.


XDEM
New York, NY

Posted 01:06 PM, 11/16/2009

Must be bush's fault.


Big Apples Guy
new york, ny

Posted 01:10 PM, 11/16/2009

It all starts in the home. Turn the T.V. off. Get rid of the X-Box. Computer for school work only. Eliminate Face Book, U-Tube, Twitter etc. Sit down to dinner daily as a family and talk. Attend P.T.A. meetings and know your childrens friends. Know their parents. Talk to their parents. Talk openly to your children, about everything. Never ever go to bed angry and always always always tell them daily that you Love them, whatever they do, or don't do. Get back to basics people. It worked for my parents and it worked for my children and it seems to be working for my Grandkids. Stop trying to give your kids all the material things they want and start giving them what they really need to survive. Teach them morals, show them Love and the respect you all say is missing will follow. Everything they learn and everything they become begins at home. Parents teach the habits of their children . Remember, we are all reflections of our parents. You reap what you sow.


bonnie.reedtwc
akron, oh

Posted 02:36 PM, 11/16/2009

After reading this a little better he got a spamking because he got c's and d's on his report card, maybe he needs some tutoring in school, but still a spanking will get their attention when it is needed.


ScottyBoy
akron, oh

Posted 03:15 PM, 11/16/2009

Who do you think you guys are playing with, KIDS?

Shoot, a paddle is nothing! My dad used to threaten us with a ballpeen hammer to the head and putting M80s up our b*tt when we were bad. Aside from a gaggle of dents to my dome and few inconspicuous powder burns I turned out alright.


Jason12
Macedonia, Oh

Posted 04:33 PM, 11/16/2009

All of you idiots love to think in the extreme. Some things never change.


retlaw in nj
Atlantic City, NJ

Posted 04:45 PM, 11/16/2009

TO Big Apples Guy; How true are your words. Many parents of today rely on the T.V. to raise their children. Everything negative that can possibly happen in life is taught on the screen. Murder, rape, sex, drugs, robbery, and more are glamorized and today's youth grow up viewing it in the home. Also, parents think its "COOL" when their kids emulate this behavior playing these hand held games. And they say kids of today have no respect. Where and when did this lack of respect start???


ohioblues
akron, oh

Posted 05:20 PM, 11/16/2009

Ohio folks vote with the same lack of information. Hurry form your one-track mind.


ohioblues
akron, oh

Posted 05:23 PM, 11/16/2009

I still believe short stories like this are to keep us off the issues...second hand smoke, aliens in ohio trailer parks...you know


prettywomen777
Akron, Oh

Posted 09:28 PM, 11/16/2009

I remember getting whip from the neighbors and then the neighbors would bring us home to our parents and then we would get whip again for disrespecting grown up I appreciated my mom and dad I never rob anyone or stole a candy bar I WAS RAISED IN WASHINGTON D.C. NEVER WAS IN A GANG SO I WAS VERY BLESS THAT I HAD PARENTS THAT DISCIPLINE ME. BECAUSE IF NEVER GOT A WHIP I PROBABLY WOULD BEEN ROBBING GRANDMA NOW AND EVERYBODY ELSE PARENTS ALSO SO I'M HAPPY THEY SHOW ME TOUGH LOVE


LIZZZ
Barberton, oh

Posted 09:17 AM, 11/17/2009

My 3rd grade son got spanked (beaten) until his rear end was purple with bruises, NOT BY ME. That was excessive. CSB basically did nada but a family unity plan, ugh. ...and did not even inform me of my rights including police or prosecution rights. I left the man soon after.


LIZZZ
Barberton, oh

Posted 09:20 AM, 11/17/2009

It was part of the Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, only it was instead termed, NO Child's Behind Left Alone.


NaVaa
cleveland, oh

Posted 01:31 PM, 11/17/2009

Hey people of america we are always looking in at a sistuation never knowing the whole story behind the paddling,if we dont punish are children now they might grow up paddling us he paddled the child on the rear- end not across the head he did not break any body parts why cant we as parents discplin are children without being scared of going to jail someone taken them away do we have anymore rights as a parent,or are the children taken over.


GoTigers75
Stow, OH

Posted 02:36 PM, 11/17/2009

ProChoiceLiberal: You seem to get awfully upset about the abuse of an innocent child. Yet, I'm guessing by your name, that the murdering of an innocent child is OK with you.

Give me a break.














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