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Republican opposition nearly unanimous, 1 in favor. Narrow vote clears way for Senate to debate the issue
By David Espo
Associated Press
Published on Sunday, Nov 08, 2009
WASHINGTON: In a victory for President Barack Obama, the Democratic-controlled House narrowly passed landmark health-care legislation Saturday night to expand coverage to tens of millions who lack it and place tough new restrictions on the insurance industry. Republican opposition was nearly unanimous.
The 220-215 vote cleared the way for the Senate to begin debate on the issue that has come to overshadow all others in Congress.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi triumphantly likened the legislation to the passage of Social Security in 1935 and Medicare 30 years later.
''It provides coverage for 96 percent of Americans. It offers everyone, regardless of health or income, the peace of mind that comes from knowing they will have access to affordable health care when they need it,'' said Rep. John Dingell, the 83-year-old Michigan Democrat who has introduced national health insurance in every Congress since succeeding his father in 1955.
Minority Republicans cataloged their objections across hours of debate on the 1,990-
page, $1.2 trillion legislation.
''We are going to have a complete government takeover of our health-care system faster than you can say, 'This is making me sick,' '' jabbed Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., adding that Democrats were intent on passing ''a jobs-killing, tax-hiking, deficit-exploding'' bill.
The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide federal subsidies to those who otherwise could not afford it. Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees. Both consumers and companies would be slapped with penalties if they defied the government's mandates.
Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history.
In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price gouging, bid rigging and market allocation.
Rep. John Boccieri, D-Alliance, released a statement Saturday afternoon explaining his opposition to the bill.
''While I fully support quality, affordable health-care coverage for everyone, I am disappointed the House bill sadly does not go far enough to reduce the costs of getting there,'' said Boccieri, elected a year ago to serve in the seat long held by Republican Ralph Regula of Navarre.
Democrats hold a 258-177 majority in the House, meaning they could afford 40 defections and still be certain of having an absolute majority of 218.
Ultimately, 39 Democrats voted against the bill. One Republican, Rep. Joseph Cao of Louisiana, broke ranks to vote in favor.
Shopping for coverage
At its core, the measure would create a federally regulated marketplace where consumers could shop for coverage. In the bill's most controversial provision, the government would sell insurance, although the Congressional Budget Office forecasts that the premiums would be more expensive than for policies sold by private firms.
The bill is projected to expand coverage to 36 million uninsured, resulting in 96 percent of the nation's eligible population having insurance.
To pay for the expansion of coverage, the bill cuts Medicare's projected spending by more than $400 billion over a decade. It also imposes a tax surcharge of 5.4 percent on income over $500,000 in the case of individuals and $1 million for families.
The bill is estimated to reduce federal deficits by about $104 billion over a decade, although it lacks two of the key cost-cutting provisions under consideration in the Senate, and its longer-term impact on government red ink is far from clear.
AARP in support
Democrats lined up a range of outside groups behind their legislation, none more important than the AARP, whose support promises political cover against the cuts to Medicare in next year's congressional elections.
The nation's drug companies generally support health-care overhaul. And while the powerful insurance industry opposed the legislation, it did so quietly, and the result was that Republicans could not count on the type of advertising campaign that might have peeled away skittish Democrats in swing districts.
Overall, the bill envisions the most sweeping set of changes to the medical system in more than a generation, and Democrats say it marks the culmination of a campaign that Harry Truman began when he sat in the White House 60 years ago.
From the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada issued a statement saying, ''We realize the strong will for reform that exists, and we are energized that we stand closer than ever to reforming our broken health insurance system.''
Obama in person
Debate on the House floor already had begun when Obama strode into a meeting of the Democratic rank and file across the street from the Capitol to make a final personal appeal to pass his top domestic priority.
While the session was private, he later said he had told the rank and file ''that opportunities like this come around maybe once in a generation.''
''This is their moment, this is our moment, to live up to the trust that the American people have placed in us,'' Obama said.
''I urge members of Congress to rise to this moment. Answer the call of history, and vote yes for health-insurance reform for America.''
In the run-up to a final vote, conservatives from both parties joined to impose tough new restrictions on abortion coverage in insurance policies to be sold to many individuals and small groups. They prevailed on a roll call of 240-194.
As drafted, the measure denied the use of federal subsidies to purchase abortion coverage in policies sold by private insurers in the new insurance exchange, except in cases of incest or rape or when the life of the mother was in danger.
Ironically, that only solidified support for the legislation, clearing the way for conservative Democrats to vote for it.
Democratic abortion foes sought stronger restrictions that would rule out abortion coverage except in those three categories in any government-sold plan. They also would ban abortion coverage in any private plan purchased by consumers receiving federal subsidies.
While those lawmakers are outnumbered inside the Democratic caucus, they command a majority in the House when they join with Republicans who agree with them on abortion.
When Pelosi's attempts to forge a compromise between Democrats on both sides of the abortion issue failed Friday night, she pivoted to permit Reps. Bart Stupak of Michigan, Brad Ellsworth of Indiana and others a chance during the debate to insert their more stringent restrictions into the bill.
WASHINGTON: In a victory for President Barack Obama, the Democratic-controlled House narrowly passed landmark health-care legislation Saturday night to expand coverage to tens of millions who lack it and place tough new restrictions on the insurance industry. Republican opposition was nearly unanimous.
The 220-215 vote cleared the way for the Senate to begin debate on the issue that has come to overshadow all others in Congress.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi triumphantly likened the legislation to the passage of Social Security in 1935 and Medicare 30 years later.
''It provides coverage for 96 percent of Americans. It offers everyone, regardless of health or income, the peace of mind that comes from knowing they will have access to affordable health care when they need it,'' said Rep. John Dingell, the 83-year-old Michigan Democrat who has introduced national health insurance in every Congress since succeeding his father in 1955.
Minority Republicans cataloged their objections across hours of debate on the 1,990-
page, $1.2 trillion legislation.
''We are going to have a complete government takeover of our health-care system faster than you can say, 'This is making me sick,' '' jabbed Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., adding that Democrats were intent on passing ''a jobs-killing, tax-hiking, deficit-exploding'' bill.
The legislation would require most Americans to carry insurance and provide federal subsidies to those who otherwise could not afford it. Large companies would have to offer coverage to their employees. Both consumers and companies would be slapped with penalties if they defied the government's mandates.
Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history.
In a further slap, the industry would lose its exemption from federal antitrust restrictions on price gouging, bid rigging and market allocation.
Rep. John Boccieri, D-Alliance, released a statement Saturday afternoon explaining his opposition to the bill.
''While I fully support quality, affordable health-care coverage for everyone, I am disappointed the House bill sadly does not go far enough to reduce the costs of getting there,'' said Boccieri, elected a year ago to serve in the seat long held by Republican Ralph Regula of Navarre.
Democrats hold a 258-177 majority in the House, meaning they could afford 40 defections and still be certain of having an absolute majority of 218.
Ultimately, 39 Democrats voted against the bill. One Republican, Rep. Joseph Cao of Louisiana, broke ranks to vote in favor.
Shopping for coverage
At its core, the measure would create a federally regulated marketplace where consumers could shop for coverage. In the bill's most controversial provision, the government would sell insurance, although the Congressional Budget Office forecasts that the premiums would be more expensive than for policies sold by private firms.
The bill is projected to expand coverage to 36 million uninsured, resulting in 96 percent of the nation's eligible population having insurance.
To pay for the expansion of coverage, the bill cuts Medicare's projected spending by more than $400 billion over a decade. It also imposes a tax surcharge of 5.4 percent on income over $500,000 in the case of individuals and $1 million for families.
The bill is estimated to reduce federal deficits by about $104 billion over a decade, although it lacks two of the key cost-cutting provisions under consideration in the Senate, and its longer-term impact on government red ink is far from clear.
AARP in support
Democrats lined up a range of outside groups behind their legislation, none more important than the AARP, whose support promises political cover against the cuts to Medicare in next year's congressional elections.
The nation's drug companies generally support health-care overhaul. And while the powerful insurance industry opposed the legislation, it did so quietly, and the result was that Republicans could not count on the type of advertising campaign that might have peeled away skittish Democrats in swing districts.
Overall, the bill envisions the most sweeping set of changes to the medical system in more than a generation, and Democrats say it marks the culmination of a campaign that Harry Truman began when he sat in the White House 60 years ago.
From the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada issued a statement saying, ''We realize the strong will for reform that exists, and we are energized that we stand closer than ever to reforming our broken health insurance system.''
Obama in person
Debate on the House floor already had begun when Obama strode into a meeting of the Democratic rank and file across the street from the Capitol to make a final personal appeal to pass his top domestic priority.
While the session was private, he later said he had told the rank and file ''that opportunities like this come around maybe once in a generation.''
''This is their moment, this is our moment, to live up to the trust that the American people have placed in us,'' Obama said.
''I urge members of Congress to rise to this moment. Answer the call of history, and vote yes for health-insurance reform for America.''
In the run-up to a final vote, conservatives from both parties joined to impose tough new restrictions on abortion coverage in insurance policies to be sold to many individuals and small groups. They prevailed on a roll call of 240-194.
As drafted, the measure denied the use of federal subsidies to purchase abortion coverage in policies sold by private insurers in the new insurance exchange, except in cases of incest or rape or when the life of the mother was in danger.
Ironically, that only solidified support for the legislation, clearing the way for conservative Democrats to vote for it.
Democratic abortion foes sought stronger restrictions that would rule out abortion coverage except in those three categories in any government-sold plan. They also would ban abortion coverage in any private plan purchased by consumers receiving federal subsidies.
While those lawmakers are outnumbered inside the Democratic caucus, they command a majority in the House when they join with Republicans who agree with them on abortion.
When Pelosi's attempts to forge a compromise between Democrats on both sides of the abortion issue failed Friday night, she pivoted to permit Reps. Bart Stupak of Michigan, Brad Ellsworth of Indiana and others a chance during the debate to insert their more stringent restrictions into the bill.
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New York, NY
Posted 06:59 AM, 11/08/2009
down the slope we go. Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it We have failed our children and grandchildren They will now have to work on Health Care Reform for decades to come. Pray for the future of our country. I have never been embarrassed to be a democrat until today. Save the future vote GOP.
Posted 08:08 AM, 11/08/2009
We are well on our way down the slippery slope. If the USSR could have held on for another 20 more years, they would be claiming victory.
akron, oh
Posted 08:44 AM, 11/08/2009
"Insurance industry practices such as denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions would be banned, and insurers would no longer be able to charge higher premiums on the basis of gender or medical history."
This is probably the only provision I approve of.
The rest of it doesn't really have anything positive going for it.
As it is, the democrats barely got this through, and they have the majority.
ProChoice, OH
Posted 08:52 AM, 11/08/2009
I am thrilled that the House passed the health care bill, yeah! The only downside is the anti-choice republicans slipped in the Stupak-Pitts amendment, eliminating 85% of ALREADY-existing abortion coverage for women. Can't believe the sexism from the stupak-pitts amendment.
Anti-Politically Correct & Anti-GOP, OH
Posted 08:53 AM, 11/08/2009
Government as a whole, Democrat and Republican, need to be wiped out and start over. We are way over due for a Revolution. I hope it happens soon!
Posted 09:06 AM, 11/08/2009
Let's hope the Senate has the country's future in mind on this and cap and tax
New York, NY
Posted 10:03 AM, 11/08/2009
spd3333 - I would agree. This country has moved to the left of the old USSR.
The liberal theory seems to be "keep the people en-slaved to the government and we stay in power." It took a republican to end slavery the first time, I hope they can do it again. I am tired of being a slave for obama and his posse.
New York, NY
Posted 10:27 AM, 11/08/2009
FDR said, on signing the bill into law, " The federal government through programs such as Social Security would create its own business cycle, it would "flatten out the peaks and valleys of deflation and inflation,"
We see how well that worked out. How can any reasonably intelligent adult believe that this will work out any better?
Barberton, Oh
Posted 10:59 AM, 11/08/2009
Get ready to see firsthand what Socialsim looks like.
akron, oh
Posted 11:25 AM, 11/08/2009
Shhhhhhhh, listen: can you hear the whole world laughing at us? A country taking the world's greatest health care system, doctors, procedures and treatments and voting to destroy them. How very sad, very sad for the United States. Watch enrollment in medical schools drop.
Akron, Oh
Posted 12:14 PM, 11/08/2009
The first leg of the Obama Administration's three-legged stool is almost in place. Next? The hoax c-r-a-p & trade, followed by full amnesty for the illegals.
Akron, Oh
Posted 12:52 PM, 11/08/2009
Of course you are thrilled, prochoicetard. Any time there is a chance to murder more babies, you get a tingle down your leg.
akron, oh
Posted 12:52 PM, 11/08/2009
Ladies and gentlemen, please return your trays to the upright position as the Speaker has announced our decent into a Third World Nation. We hope we have made your trip as miserable as possible. Please have your documents ready for the authorities at the border and once again, Thank you for flying Obamanation.
akron, oh
Posted 01:31 PM, 11/08/2009
One can only hope that the Senate is less ignorant.
Akron, oh
Posted 01:38 PM, 11/08/2009
Build a bomb shelter this is the end of America as a whorld power. Thank you DEms you have finally brought America to it's knees. We are one step from becoming a 3rd world country. The Senate is the only HOPE. Vote NO
Throw all the bums out!!!!!
Canal Fulton, OH
Posted 01:39 PM, 11/08/2009
What an absolute disgrace! At least some of the 100% partisanship has been deteriorating slightly (39 dems against). And regardless of political affiliation, this bill is another move to take away our freedoms and constitutional rights.
Akron, Oh
Posted 03:14 PM, 11/08/2009
sheila- totally agree
We are going to destroy the greatest health care in the world!!! There are better ways to reform health care.
There are those who are constantly trying to convince us that egalitarianism is the only moral and ethical choice in a society where people have unequal houses, unequal cars, unequal food, unequal money, and yes, unequal medical care. We are told that the only way to fix this inequality is for Big Government to confiscate the fruits of one's labor and "redistribute" them for the greatest good of the group. But this "distributive ethic" --- From Each According to His Ability and To Each According to His Need --- is actually nothing more than socialism, a concept which has failed miserably everywhere in the world that it has been tried. "Universal coverage" translates to minimalist coverage (as in managed care), delayed access to medical care, and often no access to medical care. All of which begs the question: How is forcing everyone into government-run minimalist coverage and lack of timely access better? As Walter E. Williams observes, "Capitalism isn't popular but it works." It has provided access to more goods and services for more people than any other system in the world. But he observes, capitalism isn't popular because it "is always evaluated against the non-existent utopias of socialism or communism."The key word is "non-existent" --- there is no socialist utopia. Socialism simply doesn't work!Trying to link human rights to a "right to health care," such as has been done under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,Article 25 is a truly unAmerican, socialist concept. If we had tax fairness and expansion of Medical Savings Accounts, we could put power back into the hands of patients, with advice from their physicians where it belongs. In a true free market, prices are controlled via direct interaction of consumer and seller, something that does not exist today in the medical marketplace.-Lawrence R. Huntoon, MD
Posted 04:31 PM, 11/08/2009
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" Karl Marx, circa 1875. Our once great nations new motto.
New York, NY
Posted 05:20 PM, 11/08/2009
I have yet to hear how somebody does not have health coverage? I can understand not allowing companies to turn away those with preexisting conditions, but other then that the rest is just smoke.
Orrville, Oh
Posted 05:33 PM, 11/08/2009
Healthcare reform; founded on demands; Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and Americas grandchildren’s children; fund all stimulus packages, property tax abatement, tax incentives, tax credit, tax refunds, tax exemptions. And pay for the more stock dividends (money); Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly; in the wholesale and retail price; of healthcare; and EVERY product and service; Human Beings use for life. And Government needs to build, maintain, and operate schools; infrastructure; and provide government services; and national security. That gets only product or service. With money derived from wages or independent business profit.
And Fund; unemployed workers, casino, lottery, and keno losers, aliens, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour; low-income; volunteers without wages; nonunion parasites willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life; and righteous; with a faith-based belief; that it’s a sin; to engage in free, fair, and affordable commerce; or get an agreement (union contract); With a corporation, business, or nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization, or Church; Paying for healthcare; with Medicaid.
This makes healthcare UNAFFORDABLE; Makes free, fair, and affordable commerce IMPOSSIBLE; Makes funding schools, infrastructure, and etc. IMPOSSIBLE; Makes balancing every budget IMPOSSIBLE; Makes union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children LIFE UNAFFORDABLE; and created the $40 trillion social security and the $9.3 trillion national debt. America’s grandchildren’s children are responsible to pay interest with this debt until they are 18 years old. Then pay the debt with the $7.30 per hour government mandated labor wage;
America’s grandchildren’s children cannot pay this debt; with the $7.30 per hour; government mandated labor wage!
Posted 06:42 PM, 11/08/2009
And to think we should be celebraiting the fall of the Berlin Wall this week.
Posted 07:26 PM, 11/08/2009
What a bunch of oozing bovine dung. You people are the most ill-informed bunch of baby's Waaaaa!
How is this the end of "your" freedoms. How does this destroy the medical system? Did you know that the AMA endorsed this. Who is the AMA? Google it find learn dweebs!!!!!!!!!!
Mindless idiots!
akron, oh
Posted 08:02 PM, 11/08/2009
how are we ill-informed, Johnny? By the way, it is babies, not the possesive, baby's. Your poor command of the English language will make it hard for me to see your point, but I will try. Do go on.
Posted 08:12 PM, 11/08/2009
It's been clear for months that Pelosi and House Dems have wanted to pass Health Care Reform in the worst way.
With this vote it's clear that they've done precisely that.
Cuyahoga Falls, Oh
Posted 08:18 PM, 11/08/2009
We must remove from office any politician that voted for the bill, starting with Betty Sutton. These bleeding hearts that want to take our money and give it away for what ever reason need to go. Please Alex give us someone of quality to run against her and get her out of office.
Akron, Oh
Posted 10:24 PM, 11/08/2009
C'mon, Senate! Kindly flush Pelousy's turd bill that has been foisted upon us!
Posted 10:39 PM, 11/08/2009
westside,,,,AMA is pulling their endorsement back,,which is useless anyway,,,another organization endorsing something they know little about fully
Posted 10:41 PM, 11/08/2009
am sure of this,,,my 5400 dollar insurance plan(company) per year premiums will cost me more,,,trust me
Posted 12:35 AM, 11/09/2009
Akron is dynamic, you are spot on. I can't understand why more "liberal" types of people are not outraged that the bill was not posted online, as they promised, all kinds of shady deals were made to get the votes, people will be fined or even jailed for not complying with this...I just don't get it. Is everybody that blind that they just don't care anymore?
New Philadelphia, OH
Posted 06:17 AM, 11/09/2009
As someone who has govt healthcare (VA and Tricare) I can tell you.....they both suck!!! Ask any vet who uses the VA healthcare system. Its Govt run.......these folks that are dancing for joy after the passage of this bill, have no idea what the country is in for!!!!! Tricare does not pay the full bill to doctors,,,,,our family doctor told my wife,,,,,the only reason I am taking you as a patient,,,,,is my respect for the military!!!! He said he receives the equivalnet to 1960s payments!!!! Thats Govt healthcare for ya!!!!!
Mogadore, OH
Posted 11:03 AM, 11/09/2009
scout- Then buy your own plan!
Akron, OH
Posted 11:06 AM, 11/09/2009
All I hear is a lot of lip-smack. Either do something about what you don't like or get the sand out from between your legs and move on. Complaining online in forums such as this does absolutely nothing for your cause. I don't see you marching in the streets of akron, cleveland, or in D.C. Practice what you preach.
Rittman, Oh
Posted 11:37 AM, 11/09/2009
I do have to commend those democrats who participated in the bipartisan effort to defeat this bill from the left wing fringe radical nut jobs. Its good to see the two parties working togther, even if they were not successful against the communist majority.
Posted 12:08 PM, 11/09/2009
Since Universal health care is implemented in all industrialized countries except for the United States, I say it's about time!!
New York, NY
Posted 12:18 PM, 11/09/2009
Bridger - In other words you are saying - since the united states has the best health care system in the world, I say it is about time we dumbed it down and made it like every other 3rd world country.
tallmadge, OH
Posted 12:26 PM, 11/09/2009
ProChoiceLiberal obviously doesn't work for a living. I see the lil puppet of the left has commented.
Akron, OH
Posted 12:45 PM, 11/09/2009
Please stop calling this socialism.. It is not. If you so decide to continue calling this health care reform socialism then please denounce your libraries, public schools, fire departments, police departments, your road crews, sanitation departments and other health departments...
Akron, OH
Posted 12:47 PM, 11/09/2009
I don't think this bill is the right way to get things done, but you cannot deny that something has to change about the health care here in the United States. There are going to be pros and cons. I am not for this bill but I don't see anything constructive here, just a bunch of fear-mongering.
Richfield, OH
Posted 12:54 PM, 11/09/2009
iamcob - some services are shared by the people - roads,libraries (we vote on libraries here).
Our system is based on free enterprise and individual rights - not government run businesses. Our free enterprise approach has given us the most advanced care in the world. People come from all around the world to go to the Cleve Clinic, Mayo Clinic, Johs Hopkins and other hospitals in the US.
Finally, look at Europe where they have adopted all kinds of cradle to grave nanny state policies. Their unemployment is typically around 10% even when times are good. So the socialistic type of policies are proven to kill off job creation.
Posted 02:04 PM, 11/09/2009
Why don't y'all just start singing the ole Dixie Song,West Virgina Hicks
Canal Fulton, Oh
Posted 02:29 PM, 11/09/2009
5 years ago ,my health insurance premium(for me only) was 128$ now its 559$ a MONTH..Just wondering what this is going to do for me ??
New York, NY
Posted 02:59 PM, 11/09/2009
I am still waiting for someone to tell me who these Americans are without health care coverage. I can't find any.
Posted 03:11 PM, 11/09/2009
Why are we so confused with the name of the bill. Instead of Healthcare Reform it should be called Health Insurance Reform. Are we as a society so stupid to realize that costs are going to continue to rise like crazy because the bill does not consider the cost drivers - like the birth of a child costing $20,000 when for centurys there was little to none outside help in the delivery. Wake up people, this is going to cost alot more than CBO estimates.
Canal Fulton, Oh
Posted 03:26 PM, 11/09/2009
OH but Obama said he wouldnt sign anything if it ended up costing us one cent!!
Mogadore, OH
Posted 05:38 PM, 11/09/2009
socialist- Do you remember when you wrote the following?
Your statement that Bush was responsible for the housing crisis shows you incompetence and stupidity.
It's still out there...
akron, oh
Posted 10:04 PM, 11/09/2009
How can anyone support this 'health care scam' being pushed onto taxpayers. 1st of all. Is this just a supplement to help those w/o insurance? well, if that is the case, then why not just expand medicaid? Could it be because our reps just wanted to add more entitlement programs in secret? The Early Education Act to teach parents how to parent was shot down last summer in Congress. so what to do? Obama wants this act to pass. Oh simple. Add it to the health care bill. One and a half billion dollars is earmarked for this in the health care bill.
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/07/17/stealth-agenda-in-health-care-bill-early-childhood-home-visitation/
http://www.homeeducator.com/FamilyTimes/articles09/92-6.html
This bill is about socking American taxpayers with a bill. It is time for term limits, and get these nuts out.
New York, NY
Posted 06:26 AM, 11/10/2009
Nice to see captain cut and paste made it to the party. hello mad. I hope you have recovered.
New Philadelphia, OH
Posted 06:42 AM, 11/10/2009
Hey Mad,,,,,,,I am paying for my plan.. Hero!!! Thats right folks,,,,military healthcare is not FREE......we have to pay like everyone else.....and it sucks!!! Maybe if Washington would wake up and have the states drop their restrictions on cross border plans,,,,,,we might be able find a policy that works!!
Mogadore, OH
Posted 07:54 AM, 11/10/2009
scout- I'm not a hero and I never implied you were on the dole! My point is, if you don't like your healthcare plan, save us the complaints and buy another or a supliment!
Mogadore, OH
Posted 07:56 AM, 11/10/2009
xdem- You're good for assumptions and incomplete one sentence lines...
tallmadge, OH
Posted 08:43 AM, 11/10/2009
MaDman from Mogadore, is that all you can come up with?
What I do remember is somebody using worlds instead of world's to show possession. I believe their defense was we all make mistakes. Since you have issues with my English, I just sent you two French words. Let me know if you receive them. I'm tired of having a conversation with a child who avoids answering a question better than Obamination has regarding his actual birthplace. When you get a chance, google stimulus lies and tell me GWB was a lier.
Mogadore, OH
Posted 09:09 AM, 11/10/2009
socialist- You have information which can get Obama impeached, call McCain! Gee, read the last word in your last sentence! Do you see a problem?
tallmadge, OH
Posted 09:50 AM, 11/10/2009
Sorry MaD, I tried to respond, but the smell of sewer gas was too strong when I tried to read your comments.
New York, NY
Posted 01:53 PM, 11/10/2009
I see captain cut and paste has had his cage rattled again. This is fun.
New York, NY
Posted 02:04 PM, 11/10/2009
Mad - You have yet to make a point.
tallmadge, OH
Posted 03:51 PM, 11/10/2009
XDEM, he hasn't responded for sometime. Perhaps the "C" or "V" key fell his keyboard.
Mogadore, OH
Posted 04:09 PM, 11/10/2009
socialist & xdem- Did you two attend the same high school because you make the same amount of sense...
tallmadge, OH
Posted 04:54 PM, 11/10/2009
Sure we make sense. You can't comprehend a conversation above a third grade level. I don't know where XDEM went to high school. Hey, I just answered a question. You should try it some time.
When you are old enough to attend HS, please end your sentences with one period. Did you hi-light a period, hit "command c" and then "command v" twice? In the future, try to be more careful.
Mogadore, OH
Posted 05:35 PM, 11/10/2009
socialist- Explain this cut and paste:
Your statement that Bush was responsible for the housing crisis shows you incompetence and stupidity.
Mogadore, OH
Posted 07:00 PM, 11/10/2009
socialist- Explain the wisdom of this cut & paste:
Your statement that Bush was responsible for the housing crisis shows you incompetence and stupidity.
New York, NY
Posted 06:11 AM, 11/11/2009
Mad - You have yet to make a point.
New York, NY
Posted 06:16 AM, 11/11/2009
Socialist - people like MAD are the reason I am an XDEM. Mad's arrogance and ignorance have ruined what was once a proud party.
Watch family guy some time and you will see where MAD gets his information. It is funny to see. At times he directly quotes the dog!! The other half of the time he is cutting and pasting moveon emails. I know because I have received the dame talking points from them. He pastes them word for word.
akron, oh
Posted 06:35 AM, 11/11/2009
here you go obama lovers socialism at it worst coming to you soon. hope you like being told what to do. to bad everyone made this I'm not voting for bush (who was not running) or I'm going to vote for the black guy. and thats what it was. I'm not affraid to call it as I see it.
Find a black person who did not vote for obama. they didn't even know what he stood for and it didn't matter. as long as he was black. racists they call us. look at yourselves
akron, oh
Posted 06:37 AM, 11/11/2009
guess who is paying for this the working class who make less than 250k....obama lied. and medicare.
Mogadore, OH
Posted 07:58 AM, 11/11/2009
xdem- There's a point there, you need to think a little harder! Produce one cut and paste from moveon and you'll have a point!
New York, NY
Posted 08:14 AM, 11/11/2009
Mad - You have yet to make a point.
If nothing else you are consistent.
tallmadge, OH
Posted 08:15 AM, 11/11/2009
MaD, you have REAL issues! You picked the perfect name for yourself.
New York, NY
Posted 08:23 AM, 11/11/2009
Socialist - You are correct about MAD. But it is fun to rattle the cage. It is almost too easy. Mad is so predictable.
Mogadore, OH
Posted 08:59 AM, 11/11/2009
xdem, socialist- I'd like to know your highest level of education, how do you support yourselves?
New York, NY
Posted 10:05 AM, 11/11/2009
Mad - You have yet to make a point.
Mogadore, OH
Posted 11:12 AM, 11/11/2009
xdem-I asked a question!
New York, NY
Posted 11:38 AM, 11/11/2009
Mad - You have yet to make a point.
tallmadge, OH
Posted 12:59 PM, 11/11/2009
For those who thinks this healthcare legislation is so great, I URGED to log onto http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=G44NCvNDLfc
tallmadge, OH
Posted 01:01 PM, 11/11/2009
Cut & paste, Cut & paste, Cut & paste, Cut & paste, Cut & paste, Cut & paste, Cut & paste,
Mogadore, OH
Posted 04:15 PM, 11/11/2009
xdem- Point is, you don't have an education...
Mogadore, OH
Posted 04:15 PM, 11/11/2009
socialist-Here's a cut & paste:
Your statement that Bush was responsible for the housing crisis shows you incompetence and stupidity.
New York, NY
Posted 04:18 PM, 11/11/2009
Mad - You have yet to make a point.
New York, NY
Posted 04:22 PM, 11/11/2009
Mad - You have yet to make a point.
Mogadore, OH
Posted 08:03 PM, 11/11/2009
xdem- Point is you're uneducated and it shows.
New York, NY
Posted 10:53 PM, 11/11/2009
Mad - You have yet to make a point.
New York, NY
Posted 10:55 PM, 11/11/2009
Wow you may be right. I think I will vote any way you tell me. You are the most intelligent person in the world. How could any of us have ever doubted you?
tallmadge, OH
Posted 09:19 PM, 11/12/2009
No cut and paste here. LMAO!!!
tallmadge, OH
Posted 10:24 PM, 11/12/2009
I use my legs to support myself. At work, a chair.
