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Pat's Beside the Point
Another wacky, crazy Browns week

By Patrick McManamon
Beacon Journal sports writer

This weekend it's all Browns, all the time.

With apologies — because this isn't exactly the most exciting time to be reading about the Browns.

-- George Kokinis started his tenure with the Browns thinking that he would be an actual general manager.

One who could talk to the media, pick players and have serious input into the direction of the team.

He wound up working for the coach he was supposed to be helping.

One source told a story of Kokinis being called into coach Eric Mangini's office shortly after his hiring, and Mangini laying down the rules under which he would have to operate.

Appreciate this picture: The coach was telling the GM how he should act.

Kokinis is a pleasant and nonconfrontational person, so instead of fighting things, he went along, figuring that over time his role as GM would carry enough credence that he could overcome some of these problems.

It never happened.

And over time, the situation got to Kokinis — to the point that something happened that prompted team owner Randy Lerner to lose faith in him.

He called Kokinis into his office last Monday and asked Kokinis to resign, according to SI.com. Kokinis refused, and he was ushered to the door of the building.

The Browns can deny he was ushered out of the building, but it is their M.O. when people are let go to take them right to the door, have them bring their belongings and have their access to the building revoked.

It's happened with staffers; it happened with Kokinis.

There seem to be two views of Kokinis within the team. The first states that he never was given the authority to do his job, and he never was able to truly exercise the power given him in his contract.

The second states that Kokinis was not up to the job, never took the authority he was given and allowed the pressure to get to him.

By the time his tenure ended, he was arriving for work late and acting disinterested. Whether he lost interest on his own or was marginalized could be a matter of interpretation. Because with the Baltimore Ravens, Kokinis worked diligently, often late into the evening.

People in Baltimore would be shocked to hear that Kokinis arrived even a minute late or left a minute early.

What's true might depend on which side you rest.

Friends of Kokinis will point out that the Browns did not let him live up to the terms of his contract. Which would be a breach and would make their claim that he has been fired ''for cause'' more or less moot.

Lerner's side would say that he never really became a true GM, and when he started to act disinterested, the owner acted.

Either way, the story is a pathetic reflection on the Browns, who sought Kokinis out and hired him at the behest of the head coach.

Mangini handpicked Kokinis. He was his friend. He touted that when the two joined the Browns. Their pairing didn't last half a season.

One day Kokinis might go on the record and discuss what happened.

But he does not seem vindictive, and another M.O. of the Browns is to write a clause in a ''resignation'' agreement that prohibits criticism of the team.

Until it happens, the Browns will continue to say that it's not fair to blame Mangini for Kokinis' departure.

Problem is, that's the exact picture that has been painted — the appearance is that Mangini made his friend a scapegoat and threw him under the proverbial bus that runs proverbially through Berea.

-- Mangini might have no hold over Lerner whatsoever.

But it sure doesn't seem that way.

Lerner continues to stand behind Mangini through some horribly bad times.

The product on the field alone would make most balk, because the Browns are an embarrassment merely at playing the game.

Too, veteran Jamal Lewis came out last Sunday and said he has no idea how the Browns plan to win a game; he just knows that they want to win.

In a normal circumstance, this bombshell would bring shock waves. Think about it — a respected veteran states that a coaching staff and a team do not have a plan for how to win.

Check the Richter scale.

But with the Browns quagmire, it's just one more ''gee, did you hear what he said'' moment.

Too, many players simply do not enjoy playing for Mangini. He has been described as mentally wearing and negative, and when players either don't know or don't believe in the system, the negativity and mental stress grow old in a hurry.

The way the Browns play, it appears to have grown old about six weeks ago.

Maybe six months.

Then the mentally taxing parts start to beat a player down more, and the result is a game where the Chicago Bears stink up the joint and yawn their way through a 24-point win.

Blind faith?

How it is that the owner still believes in this coach through this experience is near mind-boggling.

Unless he's taking the safe route and trying to avoid one more mess by saying right now the coach is safe.

There's logic to this reasoning. Lerner evidently thinks that changing coaches in the middle of the season wouldn't help anything or anyone, so it makes sense that he wouldn't want to stir up a coaching whirlwind by implying Mangini might get fired.

Lerner has stated he wants a credible leader to come in and run football and speak for the franchise.

If he insists on the new person accepting Mangini, Lerner will have the same problems he had last January, when legitimate candidates dropped out left and right after they heard Mangini would be the coach.

Logic would follow, then, that said new person would want to hire his own coach.

-- Now the Browns are trying to do what few teams have been able to do: reconfigure the front office on the fly.

Restructuring is difficult enough in the offseason.

Try doing it during the season, a losing season, a season of nearly inexplicable pratfalls.

You get the idea.

The proud Browns have become the butt of national jokes, ridicule and scorn. They are off this weekend, then they return for a nationally televised Monday night game against the Ravens that looks like it could be every bit as ugly as the game in Baltimore earlier this season.

What can Lerner do when many reputable, credible people already are working for other teams?

Find someone who's available, credible and legitimate.

Accorsi factor

That is why Lerner turned to Ernie Accorsi, former Browns and New York Giants GM. Accorsi has no interest in being a GM again, but he might have interest in helping right a Browns ship that is listing in every direction.

Accorsi was close to Al Lerner, talks about Randy being like family and has a fondness for the Browns franchise.

In the ideal scenario, Accorsi would take some sort of front-office role (as vice president or president of football), then choose or mentor a GM. Those two would then assess Mangini in the final eight games of the season and make a decision on him next season.

Accorsi would become a voice in the organization for reason and logic, a voice who would ask why things are done or not done.

And he would be a credible, logical voice to the media and fans.

It's a nice plan because Accorsi brings a lot that's right to the table.

Will it work?

Who knows?

If I'm 68 and enjoy being retired, I sure wouldn't want to step into this mess. It would be like boarding Capt. Jack Sparrow's boat as it sailed into that oceanic hurricane.

If Accorsi says no, then what?

Mike Holmgren?

Mike Shanahan?

Park the Lerner-mobile in front of Bill Cowher's house and lay on the horn until he says yes?

Send a hot-air balloon to Oklahoma to bring back Bob Stoops?

Hold their breath until Tony Dungy comes out of retirement?

In this climate, anything seems possible.

-- Accorsi brings a lot of instant credibility, but he also could be joining a franchise that has a laundry list of head-scratching moves in the past few months.

A personal topper came this week when Mangini said he would be included in the hiring of a GM to replace Kokinis.

How's that?

Mangini's handpicked GM doesn't last to Game 9 and he says he's going to be involved in hiring the next one?

Someone is delusional here.

Either it's Mangini, for thinking even the tiniest bit that he should be involved.

Or it's the Browns, for involving him in the tiniest bit.

Or it's me, for thinking that some logic would come out of this situation.

But the last thing you'd think Mangini would be saying is that he'll be involved in the hiring. He has got quite enough on his plate on the field, thank you very much.

Beyond reason

This week has just continued a perplexing stretch of events for the Browns.

Consider just a few since January:

-- Lerner didn't think he needed a credible football executive when he hired Mangini, and now he thinks he needs one.

-- The Browns need someone to speak for the organization, yet when the GM was no longer involved, nobody stepped forward to speak, except Mangini, who basically said he couldn't speak.

-- Somehow the coach who has overseen the dismantling of a team remains while the guy he chose to be his GM — a fact peculiar by itself — is gone.

-- The head coach was fined $25,000 for lying on injury reports last season.

-- A running back was injured in after-practice drills and lost for the season.

-- A former Pro Bowl receiver was charged after punching a friend of LeBron James, then traded for two midround draft picks and eight of those mats players use to clean mud off their shoes.

-- A dozen former New York Jets have been brought in; none has made any impact.

-- Rookies were forced to ''volunteer'' to ride a bus to Hartford, Conn., for the coach's football camp. When word broke, Mangini bypassed the first-class return plane ticket he used to get to Hartford and rode back on the bus with the rookies.

-- One of the team's most respected veteran players has spoken out, saying he has no clear understanding of how the team wants to win games. This statement came after eight games.

-- Now the coach whose players regularly gets their helmets handed to them on the field says he plans to be included in the selection of the GM who will replace the GM he handpicked who was let go after half a season.

Hey. . .why not?

-- Giant Eagle and ACME are missing a great promotion.

They should be giving away brown bags the next week and asking fans who plan to attend the Monday night game to wear them.

Instead of the Cleveland Browns, the Cleveland BrownBags would play.

Most cleverly decorated bag would win a prize.

Why not?

The Cleveland BrownBags. . .national TV. It might be kind of fun.

If the game goes as expected, the decorated bags might provide the Monday Night Football crew with its only entertainment and material.

-- Lost in all the off-field turmoil is the turmoil on the field.

The Browns are dismally bad.

In a 32-team league, they rank 31st in total offense (221.5 yards per game, better only than the Oakland Raiders), 30th in scoring (9.8 points), 32nd in yards per play (3.8), 31st in third-down conversions, 32nd in turnover differential (minus 11), 32nd in passing offense (121.5) and 23rd (hoo hoo) in rushing offense (99.6).

Then there's the defense.

It ranks 32nd in total defense (409.1 yards), 28th in scoring (28.1 points), 24th in pass defense (238.6 yards) and 31st in rushing defense (170.5 yards).

By my math, each game the opposing team outgains the Browns by 187.6 yards per game.

Ponder that a moment — 187.6 yards per game. The Browns are spotting the other team nearly two entire fields.

Quarterback Derek Anderson's passer rating of 36.2 ranks 34th in a league of 32 teams.

And he still might start Monday night against the Ravens.

Got your BrownBag?

-- Remember back to the last preseason game, when neither Brady Quinn nor Anderson played? Guess we can all see they didn't really need the playing time.

-- Folks who blame this season on last season's collection of players are missing the point as well.

The Browns are not even competing this season.

They have lost games by 14, 21, 31, 3, 13, 28 and 24 points.

That's 19.1 points per game (more than two touchdowns and two field goals), with one win by three.

Last season their first seven losses were by 18, 4, 18, 3, 10, 4 and 10 points.

That's an average of 9.5 points, with four wins mixed in.

This season's mess is a creation of this season's staff. Period.

-- Tom the furnace guy was walking down the steps this week when he stopped and said: ''I hear the Browns are getting 16 points this week against the bye.''

He took two steps, stopped, turned around and said:

''Give the points and take the bye.''

Yes, he was here all week.

-- Don't forget the BrownBags.


Patrick McManamon can be reached at pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com. Read his blog at http://www.ohio.com/mcmanamon/. Follow Pat on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/patmcmanamon.

This weekend it's all Browns, all the time.

With apologies — because this isn't exactly the most exciting time to be reading about the Browns.

-- George Kokinis started his tenure with the Browns thinking that he would be an actual general manager.

One who could talk to the media, pick players and have serious input into the direction of the team.

He wound up working for the coach he was supposed to be helping.

One source told a story of Kokinis being called into coach Eric Mangini's office shortly after his hiring, and Mangini laying down the rules under which he would have to operate.

Appreciate this picture: The coach was telling the GM how he should act.

Kokinis is a pleasant and nonconfrontational person, so instead of fighting things, he went along, figuring that over time his role as GM would carry enough credence that he could overcome some of these problems.

It never happened.

And over time, the situation got to Kokinis — to the point that something happened that prompted team owner Randy Lerner to lose faith in him.

He called Kokinis into his office last Monday and asked Kokinis to resign, according to SI.com. Kokinis refused, and he was ushered to the door of the building.

The Browns can deny he was ushered out of the building, but it is their M.O. when people are let go to take them right to the door, have them bring their belongings and have their access to the building revoked.

It's happened with staffers; it happened with Kokinis.

There seem to be two views of Kokinis within the team. The first states that he never was given the authority to do his job, and he never was able to truly exercise the power given him in his contract.

The second states that Kokinis was not up to the job, never took the authority he was given and allowed the pressure to get to him.

By the time his tenure ended, he was arriving for work late and acting disinterested. Whether he lost interest on his own or was marginalized could be a matter of interpretation. Because with the Baltimore Ravens, Kokinis worked diligently, often late into the evening.

People in Baltimore would be shocked to hear that Kokinis arrived even a minute late or left a minute early.

What's true might depend on which side you rest.

Friends of Kokinis will point out that the Browns did not let him live up to the terms of his contract. Which would be a breach and would make their claim that he has been fired ''for cause'' more or less moot.

Lerner's side would say that he never really became a true GM, and when he started to act disinterested, the owner acted.

Either way, the story is a pathetic reflection on the Browns, who sought Kokinis out and hired him at the behest of the head coach.

Mangini handpicked Kokinis. He was his friend. He touted that when the two joined the Browns. Their pairing didn't last half a season.

One day Kokinis might go on the record and discuss what happened.

But he does not seem vindictive, and another M.O. of the Browns is to write a clause in a ''resignation'' agreement that prohibits criticism of the team.

Until it happens, the Browns will continue to say that it's not fair to blame Mangini for Kokinis' departure.

Problem is, that's the exact picture that has been painted — the appearance is that Mangini made his friend a scapegoat and threw him under the proverbial bus that runs proverbially through Berea.

-- Mangini might have no hold over Lerner whatsoever.

But it sure doesn't seem that way.

Lerner continues to stand behind Mangini through some horribly bad times.

The product on the field alone would make most balk, because the Browns are an embarrassment merely at playing the game.

Too, veteran Jamal Lewis came out last Sunday and said he has no idea how the Browns plan to win a game; he just knows that they want to win.

In a normal circumstance, this bombshell would bring shock waves. Think about it — a respected veteran states that a coaching staff and a team do not have a plan for how to win.

Check the Richter scale.

But with the Browns quagmire, it's just one more ''gee, did you hear what he said'' moment.

Too, many players simply do not enjoy playing for Mangini. He has been described as mentally wearing and negative, and when players either don't know or don't believe in the system, the negativity and mental stress grow old in a hurry.

The way the Browns play, it appears to have grown old about six weeks ago.

Maybe six months.

Then the mentally taxing parts start to beat a player down more, and the result is a game where the Chicago Bears stink up the joint and yawn their way through a 24-point win.

Blind faith?

How it is that the owner still believes in this coach through this experience is near mind-boggling.

Unless he's taking the safe route and trying to avoid one more mess by saying right now the coach is safe.

There's logic to this reasoning. Lerner evidently thinks that changing coaches in the middle of the season wouldn't help anything or anyone, so it makes sense that he wouldn't want to stir up a coaching whirlwind by implying Mangini might get fired.

Lerner has stated he wants a credible leader to come in and run football and speak for the franchise.

If he insists on the new person accepting Mangini, Lerner will have the same problems he had last January, when legitimate candidates dropped out left and right after they heard Mangini would be the coach.

Logic would follow, then, that said new person would want to hire his own coach.

-- Now the Browns are trying to do what few teams have been able to do: reconfigure the front office on the fly.

Restructuring is difficult enough in the offseason.

Try doing it during the season, a losing season, a season of nearly inexplicable pratfalls.

You get the idea.

The proud Browns have become the butt of national jokes, ridicule and scorn. They are off this weekend, then they return for a nationally televised Monday night game against the Ravens that looks like it could be every bit as ugly as the game in Baltimore earlier this season.

What can Lerner do when many reputable, credible people already are working for other teams?

Find someone who's available, credible and legitimate.

Accorsi factor

That is why Lerner turned to Ernie Accorsi, former Browns and New York Giants GM. Accorsi has no interest in being a GM again, but he might have interest in helping right a Browns ship that is listing in every direction.

Accorsi was close to Al Lerner, talks about Randy being like family and has a fondness for the Browns franchise.

In the ideal scenario, Accorsi would take some sort of front-office role (as vice president or president of football), then choose or mentor a GM. Those two would then assess Mangini in the final eight games of the season and make a decision on him next season.

Accorsi would become a voice in the organization for reason and logic, a voice who would ask why things are done or not done.

And he would be a credible, logical voice to the media and fans.

It's a nice plan because Accorsi brings a lot that's right to the table.

Will it work?

Who knows?

If I'm 68 and enjoy being retired, I sure wouldn't want to step into this mess. It would be like boarding Capt. Jack Sparrow's boat as it sailed into that oceanic hurricane.

If Accorsi says no, then what?

Mike Holmgren?

Mike Shanahan?

Park the Lerner-mobile in front of Bill Cowher's house and lay on the horn until he says yes?

Send a hot-air balloon to Oklahoma to bring back Bob Stoops?

Hold their breath until Tony Dungy comes out of retirement?

In this climate, anything seems possible.

-- Accorsi brings a lot of instant credibility, but he also could be joining a franchise that has a laundry list of head-scratching moves in the past few months.

A personal topper came this week when Mangini said he would be included in the hiring of a GM to replace Kokinis.

How's that?

Mangini's handpicked GM doesn't last to Game 9 and he says he's going to be involved in hiring the next one?

Someone is delusional here.

Either it's Mangini, for thinking even the tiniest bit that he should be involved.

Or it's the Browns, for involving him in the tiniest bit.

Or it's me, for thinking that some logic would come out of this situation.

But the last thing you'd think Mangini would be saying is that he'll be involved in the hiring. He has got quite enough on his plate on the field, thank you very much.

Beyond reason

This week has just continued a perplexing stretch of events for the Browns.

Consider just a few since January:

-- Lerner didn't think he needed a credible football executive when he hired Mangini, and now he thinks he needs one.

-- The Browns need someone to speak for the organization, yet when the GM was no longer involved, nobody stepped forward to speak, except Mangini, who basically said he couldn't speak.

-- Somehow the coach who has overseen the dismantling of a team remains while the guy he chose to be his GM — a fact peculiar by itself — is gone.

-- The head coach was fined $25,000 for lying on injury reports last season.

-- A running back was injured in after-practice drills and lost for the season.

-- A former Pro Bowl receiver was charged after punching a friend of LeBron James, then traded for two midround draft picks and eight of those mats players use to clean mud off their shoes.

-- A dozen former New York Jets have been brought in; none has made any impact.

-- Rookies were forced to ''volunteer'' to ride a bus to Hartford, Conn., for the coach's football camp. When word broke, Mangini bypassed the first-class return plane ticket he used to get to Hartford and rode back on the bus with the rookies.

-- One of the team's most respected veteran players has spoken out, saying he has no clear understanding of how the team wants to win games. This statement came after eight games.

-- Now the coach whose players regularly gets their helmets handed to them on the field says he plans to be included in the selection of the GM who will replace the GM he handpicked who was let go after half a season.

Hey. . .why not?

-- Giant Eagle and ACME are missing a great promotion.

They should be giving away brown bags the next week and asking fans who plan to attend the Monday night game to wear them.

Instead of the Cleveland Browns, the Cleveland BrownBags would play.

Most cleverly decorated bag would win a prize.

Why not?

The Cleveland BrownBags. . .national TV. It might be kind of fun.

If the game goes as expected, the decorated bags might provide the Monday Night Football crew with its only entertainment and material.

-- Lost in all the off-field turmoil is the turmoil on the field.

The Browns are dismally bad.

In a 32-team league, they rank 31st in total offense (221.5 yards per game, better only than the Oakland Raiders), 30th in scoring (9.8 points), 32nd in yards per play (3.8), 31st in third-down conversions, 32nd in turnover differential (minus 11), 32nd in passing offense (121.5) and 23rd (hoo hoo) in rushing offense (99.6).

Then there's the defense.

It ranks 32nd in total defense (409.1 yards), 28th in scoring (28.1 points), 24th in pass defense (238.6 yards) and 31st in rushing defense (170.5 yards).

By my math, each game the opposing team outgains the Browns by 187.6 yards per game.

Ponder that a moment — 187.6 yards per game. The Browns are spotting the other team nearly two entire fields.

Quarterback Derek Anderson's passer rating of 36.2 ranks 34th in a league of 32 teams.

And he still might start Monday night against the Ravens.

Got your BrownBag?

-- Remember back to the last preseason game, when neither Brady Quinn nor Anderson played? Guess we can all see they didn't really need the playing time.

-- Folks who blame this season on last season's collection of players are missing the point as well.

The Browns are not even competing this season.

They have lost games by 14, 21, 31, 3, 13, 28 and 24 points.

That's 19.1 points per game (more than two touchdowns and two field goals), with one win by three.

Last season their first seven losses were by 18, 4, 18, 3, 10, 4 and 10 points.

That's an average of 9.5 points, with four wins mixed in.

This season's mess is a creation of this season's staff. Period.

-- Tom the furnace guy was walking down the steps this week when he stopped and said: ''I hear the Browns are getting 16 points this week against the bye.''

He took two steps, stopped, turned around and said:

''Give the points and take the bye.''

Yes, he was here all week.

-- Don't forget the BrownBags.


Patrick McManamon can be reached at pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com. Read his blog at http://www.ohio.com/mcmanamon/. Follow Pat on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/patmcmanamon.




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Eagle45
Port Saint Lucie, Fl

Posted 03:28 PM, 11/07/2009

Can't wait to see the brown out monday night. kp


stleo
akron, oh

Posted 04:10 PM, 11/07/2009

"It's mind-bottling..."


tvcommando
N. Canton, Oh

Posted 04:58 PM, 11/07/2009

SI.com reported Kokinis retained an attorney to fight the "for cause" contention by the Browns. Maybe when he proves his case-that 'his job' was not a step up from the job he was allowed by the league to leave in Baltimore-the NFL will sanction Mangini, thus giving Lerner 'cause' to fire him at the end of the year AND not have to pay him.

a fitting end to the Mangini regime and sorry NFL coaching career


George
Rochester, MN

Posted 07:32 PM, 11/07/2009

Let's say for a moment that Kokinis did not assert himself. Fine...he should be fired. But, what does that leave. He should have asserted himself against Mangini who was dominant and therefore was in control of the team. Why, in the wide, wide world of sports, is Lerner still backing him? Fire them both. Move Ryan up to interim head coach. It couldn't be worse. In the meantime, start searching for a GM. Maybe the GM won't be selected until after the superbowl. So what? Isn't that the way it usually happens? I thought Mangini and Kokinis might have been the answer. Clearly, they were not. Just don't let Mangini have any control over who picks in the draft.


hank/naples
naples, fl

Posted 09:07 PM, 11/07/2009

McManamon:

Yousaid:"This weekend it's all Browns, all the time.

"With apologies — because this isn't exactly the most exciting time to be reading about the Browns."

Thenyou go on your personal vendetta to get Mangini fired from day one. This was your excuse to continue to bash him !!!

You know what Mcmanamon? You are a FRAUD as a sports writer!!!!!


solmokossa
churchview, va

Posted 12:21 AM, 11/08/2009

It just gets worse and worse, this is once proud franchise destroyed, whats left of the real Browns are in Baltimore via Ozzie Newsome. Need i say more,everyone knows what he has done with the Ravens. All this talk downing Pittsburg and Cincinnatti wow Browns fans dont deserve to say the names of those two PROFESSIONAL football teams.


Poster
Akron, OH

Posted 07:31 AM, 11/08/2009

Mangenius saw a perfect situation: handpick my supposed boss, when in actuality I am running that job, too. Muhhahahhaha!

Well, that empire crumbled really quickly, and Mangenius had to cut off his boy.

No one will be left to cut off, Mangenius.


doyt
newport, NC

Posted 08:04 AM, 11/08/2009

Maybe they could show Garfield V Butchel instead. Or a Kenmore game.. Wonder if Jamal will even dress or will he "get cut for diminishing skills i.e. Bernie by belapuke".


Wolf
Akron, Oh

Posted 08:41 AM, 11/08/2009

at least I'll be able to see Real Football on today,
joke on the lake is having a hard time wining the by
week,But lets put the Mangenius in charge of picking the new GM again,sure this guy can't even pick his own nose...


rdkill
norka, OH

Posted 09:09 AM, 11/08/2009

@frank/naples... i hope that comment was tongue -n-cheek....sun must be getting to you ...missgenie has this area ROOTING HEAR ME ROOOOOOOTTTTTTIIIINNNGG! for the clowns to LOSE and LOSE BBBBBIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGG!!!!! So this poor excuse of wasted DNA will get FIRED yes FIRED!!!!do you understand that one man has turned an ENTIRE region into apathetic HATERS for a team we have LOVED for DECADES...if this does not dictate a firing..then you probably dont think the EARTH is ROUND!!! Good Day SIR!!! GO CAVS !!!!!! GO Steelers!!!! HEY HEY HO HO E MISSGENIE GOTTA GO!


ed

Posted 09:21 AM, 11/08/2009

Why should the fans wear the brown bags? Giant Eagle should donate them to the players. The fans deserve to wear the helmets and pads


Slovensko
Canton, OH

Posted 10:07 AM, 11/08/2009

Gee, I miss Terry Pluto. . . .


The_Original_Jason
Akron, OH

Posted 10:15 AM, 11/08/2009

hank/naples,

I agree 100%. Pat is too emotionally involved to be objective and it shows in every story he writes.

Just another writer wanting to make the story instead of writing about the story. Same with Grossi. I think these two compare notes.



rdkill,

Speak for yourself. Some people aren't fake fans like yourself. Don't come back when the team turns around.


EastSideJo
Bethesda, MD

Posted 10:46 AM, 11/08/2009

objective? There is no such thing as objective journalism you knuckleheads, especially in sports. ou may not like Pat but find better reasons.


hank/naples
naples, fl

Posted 01:47 PM, 11/08/2009

The Original Jason:

There isn't any front runners, wagoneers, frauds-I mean fans, that have been drunk with media hateraide, (and other elements) that can show me where one, ONE reporter has agreed with anything Mangini has done. Anything, ANYTHING positive since he was hired !!!! EVEN BEFORE THE PADS WERE ON !!!

And you are right Jason, This group of sharks are led by this VINDICTIVE SLIME OF A REPORTER, followed closely by Grosi, Mary Kay, Marla and the rest follow !!

It is disgrace that there slimes (Press/Frauds)cultivate the LOSERS CULTURE that has existed in Cleveland since they Moved to Baltimore !!!


simpleman
Realityville, OH

Posted 03:07 PM, 11/08/2009

Jason must be 12...punch a Steeler fan in the face???...and the ABJ censors far less worse than this...amazing.


simpleman
Realityville, OH

Posted 03:08 PM, 11/08/2009

Why doesn't Naples Hank provide an example of ONE thing the pretend coach has done?


simpleman
Realityville, OH

Posted 03:10 PM, 11/08/2009

Calling Pat SLIME??? Must be one of Pat's jealous colleagues.


The_Original_Jason
Akron, OH

Posted 03:34 PM, 11/08/2009

simpleman,

I would say that I'm older than you. For one thing, my sense of humor has developed.


The_Original_Jason
Akron, OH

Posted 03:38 PM, 11/08/2009

EastSideJo,

Sure there is. Terry Pluto or Steve Doerschuk can talk about the negatives, but using rational arguments. As opposed to a writer printing in a newspaper the same quality of "analysis" that I would hear from a disgruntled fan in a bar.

Pat is a former employee of the Browns and was also moaning last spring because the new regime let some of his non-football friends go for budgetary reasons. He obviously has an axe to grind and has little credibility. If you are a writer and you don't have credibility, what do you have?


The_Original_Jason
Akron, OH

Posted 03:44 PM, 11/08/2009

simpleman,

One thing..... drastically cut down on penalties. I guess the culture of discipline is carrying forward to the field. Imagine what will happen when there are actually good players on the roster.

One more....rid the team of Braylon Edwards. You know, the same guy who is posting marginal stats in NY.

One more.... got a 2nd round pick for brittle K2.


rdkill
norka, OH

Posted 08:49 PM, 11/08/2009

jason OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK then, so what flavor was the KOOL-AID? we know you are a plant from the clowns and by the way if missgenie is such a great coach how did the winless bucs beat GB and get to the QB 6 (six) times?????? ah shucks must have had the O-Line out with the flu!!!!!!!!!


HONDACBX
everywhere, oh

Posted 07:40 AM, 11/09/2009

1. Hire a coach who was fired/not offered a new contract.

2. Don't talk with his former players and staff.

3. Make sure he has a double standard in his dealings with people.

4. Make sure he ignores key players, calling it an "accident" when he's called on it.

5. Have a boss as a friend first, then turn on him when the heat gets turned up.

6. Alienate most players current and former.

7. Ignore, cover over the history of the team, because he knows it all.


Slow Lerner, please keep this coach - the local sportswriters will learn even more adjectives for lousy, smelly, awful, joke, and disgrace.




The_Original_Jason
Akron, OH

Posted 08:56 AM, 11/09/2009

rdkill,

I don't normally engage in Team A beat Team B and Team B beat Team C, therefore Team A is better than team C logic.

But since you do, I guess the Browns are better than the Jets since the Browns took down the Bills.

You are kicked out of Browns Nation. Lifetime ban.


Khen
portsmouth, VA

Posted 11:42 AM, 11/09/2009

How does a team get so bad? There are plenty of teams with poor coaches, below average players, etc. But they seem to be competitive on a semi-regular basis.

The Browns aren't even at that stage.


STUCKINCRACKRON
AKRON, OH

Posted 04:25 PM, 11/09/2009

@The_Original_Jason
That logic you refer to is called the Transitive Property.. I.E. if A>B and B>C then in fact A>C.

This team is Horrible. Mangini has had his hand in every decision. And nearly every decision so far this year has gone badly for the Browns. So most if not all of Mangini's decisions have been bad. See there logic works.
Im gonna add this the Browns did not play any better than Buffalo in that game earlier this year. Buffalo simply tried harder to be the worse team that game.
I cannot possibly se things improving next year in Mangini is still the HC
Just my humble opinion


Tampa Frank

Posted 05:57 PM, 11/09/2009

Not sre how someone could defend Mangini? I had high hope for him and he had made a bad team worse and is jerk to boot...at least if he wasn't a complete jack8*s then maybe fans would have some sympathy. I just don't think he is on the right course....after not playing any starters in the 4th preseason game, it has gone down hill from there...


deidre
Canton, OH

Posted 08:39 AM, 11/10/2009

I heard Mangini was waiting to name a QB for Monday's game so he could talk to the local high schools and see if he could borrow one.


DS
clinton, oh

Posted 08:29 PM, 11/11/2009

The best teams in the NFL, both in quality of players and management have their work cut out for them on a weekly basis to have a competitive season.


When you have the discontent that the Browns have in fan support and an almost "Secret Society" mentality inside management with disillusion among the management team, you have the results we see in the Cleveland Browns.

This teams problems go way beyond the starting quarterback.

Any life Quinn can bring to this team in the short term will be short lived unless management changes its philosophy of how an NFL team is run.














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