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By Marla Ridenour
Beacon Journal sports writer
POSTED: 09:52 p.m. EST, Nov 23, 2009
BEREA: On Sunday, Browns coach Eric Mangini's veiled accusation of the Lions faking injuries to slow down their no-huddle offense seemed born of anger and frustration after the Lions' stunning 38-37 victory on an extra play with no time remaining.
But Mangini brought up the issue again Monday and still seemed upset over a tactic former Browns coach Bill Belichick has been accused of using.
Both Mangini and Lions coach Jim Schwartz began their NFL careers in Cleveland under Belichick, Schwartz in 1993, Mangini in 1994.
When asked Monday whether he was accusing the Lions of faking injuries, Mangini said, ''I'm saying there were a lot of them.''
According to the official play-by-play, the game was stopped six times because of Lions injuries involving five different defensive players. All eventually returned to the game.
Mangini brought up the subject in his postgame press conference when asked about the Lions' fourth timeout, when quarterback Matthew Stafford reportedly suffered what was later diagnosed as a separated left shoulder.
''There were multiple, multiple, multiple injuries throughout our no-huddle process,'' Mangini said Sunday.
Asked whether he thought the Lions were trying to slow down the no-huddle, Mangini said: ''They all came back. I have no idea.''
On Monday, when asked whether he was disappointed by a friend like Schwartz having his team fake injuries, Mangini said, ''It's, um, . . . there's no penalty and, um, maybe all those guys were legitimately injured. I haven't talked to him about it. Everybody makes that decision.''
Mangini didn't seem overly cordial after the postgame handshake.
Schwartz denied his players were faking during his Monday news conference.
''He's way out of bounds on that,'' Schwartz said of Mangini. ''That couldn't be further from the truth. Both teams were running no huddle, and the officials did a very good job of standing over the ball so there was no need to do that.''
Lions cornerback William James and defensive tackle Joe Cohen went sprawling on the Browns' first series. Others who were injured and returned were linebacker Julian Peterson, strong safety Ko Simpson, cornerback Phillip Buchanon and James again. Schwartz came onto the field to check on Buchanon in the fourth quarter.
Members of the Browns offense gave the theory credence Monday.
Receiver Chansi Stuckey, who played for Mangini with the New York Jets the past two seasons, said the Lions ''definitely'' were faking.
''I knew that, that's what their coach does,'' Stuckey said. ''If someone tries to do that to us, I would expect our guys to do the same thing. Unless it gets into that under two-minute situation, where that causes a timeout, any other time it's fine and I would do the same thing.''
Asked whether the Lions' injuries slowed down the Browns' rhythm, Stuckey said, ''Oh, yeah. Once you're going, those d-linemen can't run in and off the field, they do four or five pass rushes in a row, they're getting tired, so someone has to do something like that to try to slow us down and stop the rhythm and try to get some fresh guys on the field.''
Rookie center Alex Mack said quarterbacks Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson brought up the issue on the bus ride home.
''I just noticed, 'Another guy down? My gosh, what are we doing to these guys? Why is everyone like hurt? You could be out out of players by now,' '' Mack said. ''They came back in after every injury.
''That happens, the wind gets knocked out of you. I landed on top of a guy, he was down for one time. I definitely knocked out his wind. He back in there again, too.''
Mangini dodged the question of whether he'd have his players go down on purpose.
''I haven't faced . . . haven't been in that situation,'' he said. ''I'd like us to be able to adjust to the no-huddle through our preparation and things like that.''
This is not the first time Mangini has pointed the finger at an opponent. The last time turned into a controversy known as Spygate, when Mangini accused the New England Patriots of videotaping the Jets' defensive signals during the 2007 season opener. Mangini was in his second year as coach of the Jets.
Marla Ridenour can be reached at mridenour@thebeaconjournal.com. Read her Browns blog at http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/browns/. Follow the Browns on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/ABJ_Browns.
BEREA: On Sunday, Browns coach Eric Mangini's veiled accusation of the Lions faking injuries to slow down their no-huddle offense seemed born of anger and frustration after the Lions' stunning 38-37 victory on an extra play with no time remaining.
But Mangini brought up the issue again Monday and still seemed upset over a tactic former Browns coach Bill Belichick has been accused of using.
Both Mangini and Lions coach Jim Schwartz began their NFL careers in Cleveland under Belichick, Schwartz in 1993, Mangini in 1994.
When asked Monday whether he was accusing the Lions of faking injuries, Mangini said, ''I'm saying there were a lot of them.''
According to the official play-by-play, the game was stopped six times because of Lions injuries involving five different defensive players. All eventually returned to the game.
Mangini brought up the subject in his postgame press conference when asked about the Lions' fourth timeout, when quarterback Matthew Stafford reportedly suffered what was later diagnosed as a separated left shoulder.
''There were multiple, multiple, multiple injuries throughout our no-huddle process,'' Mangini said Sunday.
Asked whether he thought the Lions were trying to slow down the no-huddle, Mangini said: ''They all came back. I have no idea.''
On Monday, when asked whether he was disappointed by a friend like Schwartz having his team fake injuries, Mangini said, ''It's, um, . . . there's no penalty and, um, maybe all those guys were legitimately injured. I haven't talked to him about it. Everybody makes that decision.''
Mangini didn't seem overly cordial after the postgame handshake.
Schwartz denied his players were faking during his Monday news conference.
''He's way out of bounds on that,'' Schwartz said of Mangini. ''That couldn't be further from the truth. Both teams were running no huddle, and the officials did a very good job of standing over the ball so there was no need to do that.''
Lions cornerback William James and defensive tackle Joe Cohen went sprawling on the Browns' first series. Others who were injured and returned were linebacker Julian Peterson, strong safety Ko Simpson, cornerback Phillip Buchanon and James again. Schwartz came onto the field to check on Buchanon in the fourth quarter.
Members of the Browns offense gave the theory credence Monday.
Receiver Chansi Stuckey, who played for Mangini with the New York Jets the past two seasons, said the Lions ''definitely'' were faking.
''I knew that, that's what their coach does,'' Stuckey said. ''If someone tries to do that to us, I would expect our guys to do the same thing. Unless it gets into that under two-minute situation, where that causes a timeout, any other time it's fine and I would do the same thing.''
Asked whether the Lions' injuries slowed down the Browns' rhythm, Stuckey said, ''Oh, yeah. Once you're going, those d-linemen can't run in and off the field, they do four or five pass rushes in a row, they're getting tired, so someone has to do something like that to try to slow us down and stop the rhythm and try to get some fresh guys on the field.''
Rookie center Alex Mack said quarterbacks Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson brought up the issue on the bus ride home.
''I just noticed, 'Another guy down? My gosh, what are we doing to these guys? Why is everyone like hurt? You could be out out of players by now,' '' Mack said. ''They came back in after every injury.
''That happens, the wind gets knocked out of you. I landed on top of a guy, he was down for one time. I definitely knocked out his wind. He back in there again, too.''
Mangini dodged the question of whether he'd have his players go down on purpose.
''I haven't faced . . . haven't been in that situation,'' he said. ''I'd like us to be able to adjust to the no-huddle through our preparation and things like that.''
This is not the first time Mangini has pointed the finger at an opponent. The last time turned into a controversy known as Spygate, when Mangini accused the New England Patriots of videotaping the Jets' defensive signals during the 2007 season opener. Mangini was in his second year as coach of the Jets.
Marla Ridenour can be reached at mridenour@thebeaconjournal.com. Read her Browns blog at http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/browns/. Follow the Browns on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/ABJ_Browns.
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Akron, OH
Posted 10:18 PM, 11/23/2009
I've heard of this injury, it's called Sore Loser Syndrome.
Posted 10:42 PM, 11/23/2009
Who the hell is Jarvis anyway? Probably a loser like MDW.
Akron, Oh
Posted 07:45 AM, 11/24/2009
How about calling a timeout to let stafford back in genius?
Posted 09:55 AM, 11/24/2009
Mangini has a point, but the Browns defense cost them this game. Don't cry about it when your D gives up 5 TD's to a rookie quarterback.
Copley, OH
Posted 09:59 AM, 11/24/2009
Mangini should doubt his 2 minutes to go call with No lion timeouts......Lerner needs to admit he made a mistake and send the Ballboy home with millions....Plz...Plz.... Bring in Holmgren
Snydertown, OH
Posted 12:46 PM, 11/24/2009
Pukesburgerr still sucks !!!
Akron, OH
Posted 01:58 PM, 11/24/2009
@Copley Fan (and everyone else that hasn't paid attention): MIKE HOLMGREN IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR A COACHING POSITION. THE POSITION HE IS LOOKING FOR IS HEAD OF FOOTBALL OPERATIONS OR "CZAR" LIKE PARCELLS HAS IN MIAMI. BTW, SCHOTTENHEIMER AND COWER ARE NOT COMING TO CLEVELAND EITHER, SO STOP ALREADY. COWER LAUGHED AT THE IDEA ON NATIONAL T.V. LAST SEASON, AND MARTY SAID " I don't like to say never cause that's a real long time, but I can't imagine any situation where I'd go there." START THINKING NEW OFFENSIVE CO-ORDINATOR. MANGINI HAS REDUCED PENALTIES AND INSTILLED DISCIPLINE (Water bottle offender had 50 similar incidents), NOW WE JUST NEED A GOOD OFFENSIVE PLAY CALLER. AND RECIEVERS THAT CAN CATCH.
Akron, OH
Posted 01:59 PM, 11/24/2009
Oh yeah, and a #2 corner bigger than 6 inches tall.
Kent, Oh
Posted 10:27 PM, 11/24/2009
test
akron, oh
Posted 01:26 AM, 11/25/2009
ha ha the browns fans cry to much!!!!!
