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By Patrick McManamon
Beacon Journal sports writer
POSTED: 11:52 a.m. EST, Nov 20, 2008
Browns coach Romeo Crennel more or less confirmed today that General Manager Phil Savage responded to a fan's hostile e-mail with an implied obscenity Monday night.
The Web site http://www.deadspin.com reported that a fan sent Savage several highly critical e-mails during the Bills game. Savage responded by telling the fan to root for Buffalo and ended with an implied obscenity, though he did not actually spell the word.
''We all get frustrated at times,'' Crennel said in his daily news conference.
He continued by saying people try to be ''professional'' and hold it in, but ''sometimes things slip out.''
''It's unfortunate that it slipped out,'' Crennel said.
WKNR's Tony Rizzo said on his radio show that he talked to the fan, and the fan thought he deserved it. The fan told Rizzo he apologized to Savage after hearing from the GM.
Savage did not appear during the news conference, but Crennel said he talked to Savage this morning and Savage emphasized winning the next game.
Patrick McManamon can be reached at pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com. Read his blog at http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/.
Browns coach Romeo Crennel more or less confirmed today that General Manager Phil Savage responded to a fan's hostile e-mail with an implied obscenity Monday night.
The Web site http://www.deadspin.com reported that a fan sent Savage several highly critical e-mails during the Bills game. Savage responded by telling the fan to root for Buffalo and ended with an implied obscenity, though he did not actually spell the word.
''We all get frustrated at times,'' Crennel said in his daily news conference.
He continued by saying people try to be ''professional'' and hold it in, but ''sometimes things slip out.''
''It's unfortunate that it slipped out,'' Crennel said.
WKNR's Tony Rizzo said on his radio show that he talked to the fan, and the fan thought he deserved it. The fan told Rizzo he apologized to Savage after hearing from the GM.
Savage did not appear during the news conference, but Crennel said he talked to Savage this morning and Savage emphasized winning the next game.
Patrick McManamon can be reached at pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com. Read his blog at http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/.
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Anti-Politically Correct & Anti-GOP, OH
Posted 12:07 PM, 11/20/2008
Maybe the fan is like everyone else who is tired of hearing, "Well, there is always next year."
Barberton, OH
Posted 12:09 PM, 11/20/2008
Who cares? Aren't there way more important things going on in this world?
Posted 12:37 PM, 11/20/2008
Myabe get rid of the coach, Edwards butterfinger and the QB and the browns might have a chance...... NEXT YEAR!
Anti-Politically Correct & Anti-GOP, OH
Posted 12:42 PM, 11/20/2008
Wanna take down another post? I'll put it right back up again. CENSOR THIS!
I said, maybe this fan is tired of hearing, "Well, there is always next year" every single year for the last 40 years.
Morrisville, NC
Posted 12:50 PM, 11/20/2008
This paper's getting as bad as the PD. You should follow through before reporting something as fact and not trust the most unreliable talk show host in Cleveland who just last week said that Rogers was inactive against the Bills at the same time ESPN was showing Rogers warming up on the field on their Countdown show. FYI to you, your readers and Rizzo the so called fan is actually no other than Tim Benz who is the guy from WXDX in Pittsburgh that reported the email. His email address was traced as the "original" sender to Savage and he was fired from 1460 WBNS a few years ago and now always rips anything Ohio including the Buckeyes and of course the Browns.
akron, oh
Posted 12:55 PM, 11/20/2008
perhaps it's like those 'implied wins' the browns have had...or the 'implied catches' that braylon has let slip through his fingers.
Posted 12:59 PM, 11/20/2008
If a player in the NFL was seen or heard giving the finger to a fan or telling the fan to F.U. then the NFL would be fining the player a lot of his income. The same needs to happen to Savage. If not then the 'absent owner' of this sorry organization needs to set forth a hefty fine. GM's are suppose to be above responding in this way. I'm totally unhappy with how this organization acts.
Posted 12:59 PM, 11/20/2008
We can now never know for certain, since they'd not have had the requisite assimilation time to learn the system and develop syncronicity with their defensive mates, but a foursome of currently on-the-street vet free agent LBs could render superior play and production than those Phil has provided as starters. Nine he's drafted but not a single one excels in any facet of positional play.
Posted 01:15 PM, 11/20/2008
Savage needs stop reading and responding to fans emails, if he going to get this upset. Everyone knows the Browns are not doing well this year for various reasons. I hope the owner does not move the Browns out of the Cleveland area.
Tallmadge, OH
Posted 01:16 PM, 11/20/2008
The end is near. Savage & Crennel will be gone at season's end. A new management/coaching team is on the way. The Browns are no better today then when they started in 1999 with their expansion draft. So sad for Browns fans who have waited since 1964 for a Super Bowl NBA Championship game win. As for me, GO STEELERS !!!
Akron, OH
Posted 01:26 PM, 11/20/2008
Rizzo is a turd... I don't care how bad they are, I will still watch every game... I'm not a coach, owner, or a player so I have no idea what changes they need to make, but obviously they need to change something!
Cuyahoga Falls, OH
Posted 01:46 PM, 11/20/2008
This is not a new story. Fans use obscenities at games all the time, clearly directing them at players and coaches and towel-boys alike. Everybody's got their limit of how much BS they can take... I say bravo, Savage. Of all the things wrong with the Browns, you can thank Savage for at least providing the glimmer of hope that is Brady Quinn.
Posted 01:50 PM, 11/20/2008
Phil Savage is an IDIOT !! Who in their right mind being in the position that he is in would dignify a comment from an irate fan so everyone could read or hear about it. The man has no class. The Browns are loosers for years always have been and always will be!!
Barberton, OH
Posted 01:51 PM, 11/20/2008
I hate the Steelers, but I'd kill to have an owner like the Rooney's running the Browns.
Posted 02:22 PM, 11/20/2008
Hah Anderson and Butch Davis as multimillionaires from this guys stup idity and your ticket money...
Oh and this fool
Alliance, OH
Posted 02:25 PM, 11/20/2008
Didn't Romeo Crennel get in trouble a few years back for his "see you next Tuesday" response? Seems as though he did. Why should the GM not be subjected to the same rules as the coaches and the players? Grow up Phil, better yet take your toys and go home, we don't want you anymore!
Posted 02:55 PM, 11/20/2008
A BAILOUT PLAN
Here is the type of plan Congress should consider >
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/11/solution-for-detroit-gm-friends.html
Trying something outside the box like this, is the only way to save the U.S. Auto Industry.
There is much creative talent hidden inside the U.S. Big 3 that has been smothered by mismanagement and the UAW. ... and they actually "make" something, .... unlike Wall Street. Detroit deserves saving.
akron, oh
Posted 03:04 PM, 11/20/2008
You can complain all you people want. It don't mean beans to them. All they care about is their money and nothing else. They say they care but don't. But at least we do have one thing that alot of teams don't have is wins. They might be bad, but at least we are not like alot of other teams 0-10 or 1-9. Still a fan but please give us a winning team. After all these years of waiting and paying we want to WIN. Oh ya, next year.
Posted 03:54 PM, 11/20/2008
Michele,
That was Paul Silas and that was funny, all the more so because he was talking about Carlos "shake a blind man's hand and lie to him" Boozer.
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This phony outrage on this story is so silly. I agree Savage shouldn't be saying this to customers, but after seeing the juvenile nature of some posters on here and cleveland.com, I can't say I blame him.
Akron, OH
Posted 03:57 PM, 11/20/2008
where is his fine??
Akron, OH
Posted 04:30 PM, 11/20/2008
Okay so Phil Savage said a bad word. BIG DEAL!!! (It was actually quite funny.) I agree with Jason there are some idiots professing themselves to be cleveland Fans. I think this incident just shows that Savage is human. How many of you have wanted to tell someone to F off at work, Savage just had the courage to do it....
Posted 04:33 PM, 11/20/2008
What is not in this article is the text of the "fan" email. I think it adds a lot to the story. Mostly because every word, with the exception of the "worse than Butch Davis" part, is absolutely true.
Crennel, Chud and Tucker look clueless. Harrison almost always adds a spark to the offense but is rarely used. And they continue to fold up the tent on defense in the fourth quarter.
If stating the obvious upsets Mr. Savage too bad. I have spent my last dime on this team until they get serious about building a legitimate organization.
And all this after a win on Monday night! Think the fans are fed up Randy?
Posted 05:01 PM, 11/20/2008
This is the ultimate example of how the immaturity and unprofessionalism of this organization starts at the top and filters all the way down. Whether it is Braylen or Kellen barking, Derek whining, Jamal complaining, Romeo obfiscating, or Phil e-mailing, this team has no discipline and no class. It is an embarrassment. Makes me long for the days of Art Modell and that is saying something.
Posted 05:18 PM, 11/20/2008
I wonder what would happen if Savage brought in a tough - minded veteran head coach (Schottenhemer,Ditka,etc.)who could give direction to both coordinators ? Romeo is a nice gentleman ,who just isn't head coaching material. He neither dictates his will on the game plan nor the players. This team had 5 pro-bowlers last year. They have the talent to be better than they are,but they lack discipline. It took a veteran player to standup before Edwards and Winslow would stop their preening and showboating.Where was the coach ? They are absolutely gassed by the fourth quarter. Where is the coach ? They continue to play non-performers like Andra Davis. Where is the coach ?
"Scott Brown Signed His Fold Out Picture For Me", ..
Posted 05:34 PM, 11/20/2008
1. Start Jerome Harrison at RB
2. Start Joshua Cribbs at WR
3. Bench Edwards and Lewis
4. Implement West Coast Offense
5. Hire Jake's Crane to remove Large Sh*t Bag from Browns Stadium; Frog march Phil Savage from Browns Staduim during Half-Time festivities
6. RANDY LERNER: Fly to wherever Cowher is, hand him a blank check, then fly back to London and stay there until (see #8)
7. Rent a barge on Lake Erie to float out Cowher's "weed-outs" to an undisclosed destination for burial at sea.
8. Make Super-Bowl preparations by 2011.
Posted 06:33 PM, 11/20/2008
David & Robert, both are right on. Finally some truth and reason comes from this!
Akron, OH
Posted 06:33 PM, 11/20/2008
LOL @ Robert!
Posted 09:53 PM, 11/20/2008
How about coming to terms for the team you are rooting for and realizing they will always suck. Until the admin gets their head’s out of their a## and realize that they need to move in a new direction.
They need to understand what it takes to field a team that can win or you will only perpetuate the same situation… balance.
Defense , Running game and the rest will follow.
Mark Shapiro should look at Tampa Bay’s roster and get a clue also.
Be balanced!!!!!!! Both sides and take the in between.
Regards,
A Steelers Fan (that wants a meaningful rivalry back) We want the, kick your a**, knock your teeth out games back!
Not we kick your a** always...
Spencer, OH
Posted 12:06 AM, 11/21/2008
Time to clean the Dog House!
Hello Randy Lerner are you out there? We need some attention here in Cleveland.
http://fancleveland.blogspot.com/2008/11/cleveland-fan-calling-for-changes-told.html
Everyone get his attention by emailing his soccer team at these email addresses:
ticketsales@avfc.co.uk
enquiries@avhe.co.uk
theholte@avfc.co.uk
webmaster@avfc.co.uk
archives@avfc.co.uk
jobs@avfc.co.uk
canton, oh
Posted 09:30 AM, 11/21/2008
Forget about it..........no big deal. It's part of our daily language.
Alliance, OH
Posted 09:50 AM, 11/21/2008
Jason, thanks for the correction
not2normal, you will never get that “kick your a**, knock your teeth out” game back. Pittsburgh showed waaaaay too much love when our team left. For this Browns fan the hatred for the Baltimore Ravens runs deeper than it ever did for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
dave robish, if you want Art Modell back, you were never as big a Browns fan as you think you are.
As for the current situation, Braylon should have been benched weeks ago. He couldn’t catch a fish in an aquarium. That straw dawg milk isn’t working for him like he says in the commercial. Maybe he should drink something with some ba!!s, maybe it will help him to grow a pair!
Alliance, OH
Posted 10:05 AM, 11/21/2008
That post at 09:50 am is showing as being posted by FanCleveland. This is not correct, I am logged in and the comment should have shown as "Michele"
Alliance, OH
Posted 11:31 AM, 11/21/2008
Michele is now identified as Jarheads Mom
Posted 01:17 PM, 11/21/2008
Savage is a wooose...offer trivisano $5,000,000 a year for the job....he would be great...
akron, oh
Posted 01:41 PM, 11/21/2008
they cut my last post off but i said the same thing as Phil, and the problem the biggest problem with the Browns this year the Fans
Go Browns
