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By Patrick McManamon
Beacon Journal sports columnist
POSTED: 05:42 p.m. EDT, Oct 24, 2009
The front office of the Browns made a very subtle change a couple weeks ago when it invited one of its own to help.
Now the question becomes how significant the change becomes in the long term.
Bernie Kosar acknowledged in a phone interview on Friday that he would like to grow his consulting role into a full-time gig.
How that plays out, though, not even Kosar is sure.
''I'd like to see how I'm fitting and see where I could genuinely help,'' Kosar said from South Florida en route to parent-teacher conferences at his kids' school. ''Right now, because it's the season, it's hard to do that.''
Kosar said he got a surprising call to ''consult'' from team owner Randy Lerner shortly after the loss to the Cincinnati Bengals. At that point, the Browns were 0-4 and exulting over losing close to the Bengals at home.
Lerner has kept quiet this season, which is not unusual. Kosar would not go into personal details about what Lerner told him.
But Lerner has to be well aware that it was his decision to hire coach Eric Mangini, and if it doesn't work it falls on him.
Asking Kosar to help might be the first step in recognizing the situation needs shoring.
The Browns did not publicize the move, nor did Kosar, who preferred to keep it quiet. But since the Plain Dealer first reported the story a week ago, Kosar has been upfront about the situation.
Kosar has longed to help his beloved Browns since 1999, when he supported the Carmen Policy-Al Lerner ownership group.
He was involved on the periphery, but never in the building doing what he's doing now. He has no title, and he said that's fine.
The past few years were tumultuous for him, as he struggled through a difficult divorce he did not want. He recently had to file for personal bankruptcy — and included in the list of debts was $1 million owed to the Browns.
He said things have settled down, and he feels better able to contribute.
''The first thing right now is analyzing and learning what it is we do and what it's called,'' Kosar said. ''The system is pretty intricate and there's a million calls. You can't talk coaching lingo unless you know that stuff. So I have to look at the film and learn the playbook.
''Then I've been trying to get ready for the offseason and how we're going to balance that, because the coaches have to focus solely on Green Bay.''
This sounds like a man who is involved.
Learning the system should not be too difficult. Kosar always has been a quick study, and he has a football mind.
Now comes the challenge of translating that football IQ into positive action with a losing team that lacks playmakers.
But it's also delicate, because Mangini and General Manager George Kokinis were hired to do a job, and the appearance that Kosar is looking over their shoulders would not be good for anyone — Kosar included.
That's probably why Kosar stressed positives. Among them the play of center Alex Mack.
Kosar said a team needs ''core, foundation, tough guys in the middle'' and added ''you could make a case to keep the fifth pick and take someone who's more 'sexy,' but I'm glad we have Alex Mack.''
He likes the effort of the players, said a more disciplined approach was needed and said offensive coordinator Brian Daboll's emphases are ''right out of my playbook.''
Kosar did not sugarcoat the team's standing. He knows it needs playmakers, and he said there have been too many mistakes made in past drafts.
''It stinks,'' he said. ''Fans don't want to hear it. It's been 10 years. But George and Eric, it's not their fault it's been 10 years. They've got to right the foundation and get busy doing the right things.''
Kosar's presence could prompt some nervous feelings from the coach, who didn't bring him in but must accept him. Kosar can analyze, assess and suggest, but he's not titled or empowered to make major changes.
''There's a lot of different ways that our conversations have gone,'' Mangini said. ''[Kosar] gives some good insight and I've enjoyed spending some time with him.''
Safe to say Kosar would not accept a role if he could not have some impact. But he's also smart enough to know he can't upset things during the season.
But if things go as it appears they might, by this offseason Kosar could have a bigger role.
Perhaps even as the guy making the football decisions.
Indians manager
The Indians' search for a new manager took a fascinating turn this past week when Bobby Valentine came to town.
His interview was the most interesting I've heard in a long time.
Valentine was engaging, funny, punch-drunk from lack of sleep (two hours the night before), arrogant, confident and insightful.
He admitted he knew nothing about the Indians' roster, the Central Division or the American League.
He said he's a ''lousy loser'' and added that managing in Japan the past six years means he's not familiar with baseball today — including the numbing number of new statistics that teams like the Indians love to use.
He admitted he was giving reasons not to hire him, and said he wasn't even sure if he'd take the job.
He basically showed up, said this is what I am and this is what I do and if you want to hire me, it'd be great.
Manny Acta, who interviewed a few days earlier, studied the team and discussed specific players. Valentine didn't even try.
''There's a whole generation of players I've only seen on TV,'' he said.
It was fascinating in its arrogance, admirable in its honesty.
Valentine does have a track record, though. He has six years of experience in Japan, 15 with the Texas Rangers and New York Mets, and he took the Mets to the World Series. He ruffled feathers, criticized players publicly and didn't worry about soothing egos.
He said he'd never really gone through a job interview to manage, and when asked why he wanted the job he said: ''I'm a baseball manager, and they're looking to hire one of those guys. There are only 30 major-league managers in the world. I think they are 30 very special people and very lucky people.''
In many ways, Valentine is everything the Indians would not seem to want. He's not going to be boxed into any kind of approach. He's not afraid of controversy. He's old school instead of reliant on statistics.
His interview was viewed from the outside as kind of an ''OK, sure'' kind of thing.
But after listening to him talk about the Japanese culture and approach to practice and about bullpens, pitch counts and steroids — ''I didn't know what was going on right under my nose'' — it's hard not to be incredibly intrigued by the guy.
''In Japan the [manager] is called Tantoukachou,'' he said. ''The definition of the word isn't a manager, it's a director. I really think I am more of a director.
''I can adjust the volume of the orchestra. I put the right sounds and instruments in the right places to make something that's pleasing to the ear, the eyes and the baseball community.''
Maybe a change to a different personality is what the Indians need.
Maybe Valentine is the right guy in this situation.
He'd sure be interesting to follow every day.
Acta, meanwhile, used the imperial ''we'' and ''our'' a lot. He referred to players in first person, and said he'd been studying the Indians the final month of the season.
''I don't think any of you guys have any idea how long we've been in contact,'' he said.
Almost as if he knows he's the odds-on favorite.
Acta seemed personable, friendly and knowledgeable. He didn't carry himself like Valentine, but he was confident nonetheless.
It seems as if Acta has the lead with Valentine making a strong stretch run — if the Indians are willing to take a chance to hire him.
Random thoughts
• Think there isn't a pressure release pitching for a team that expects to win as opposed to one that wants to win because it hasn't in such a long time?
Think of CC Sabathia.
Sabathia's playoff record with the Indians: 2-2 with a 7.18 ERA.
Sabathia's playoff record with the Milwaukee Brewers: 0-1, 12.27.
Sabathia's playoff record with the New York Yankees: 3-0, 1.19.
• How do these things happen?
• Yes, we are looking at Cliff Lee or Sabathia pitching their teams to the World Series.
• While we anticipate David Huff's first start next season.
• Kosar talked about Brady Quinn, and said at this point in his career it might not be best for him to play so close to home. ''People are always around, and they want to talk football or hang out with you,'' Kosar said. ''That takes away from your ability to study football, hang out with your teammates, just immerse yourself in the team. I'm not saying it's the problem, but it could be part of it. It takes away from looking at film, staying at practice. This is a stage in his life where I think he needs to focus just on football. It's tough. It's not his fault, but if anybody can relate to that . . . ''
• Who'd have thought that Jeff Samardzija would have the best arm from the Notre Dame team that included Quinn?
• Not that Samardzija is faring much better. For his career, he's 2-3 with a 5.20 ERA with the Chicago Cubs.
• Cheer, cheer for old Notre Dame?
• D'Qwell Jackson's season-ending injury was a shame for a good guy, hard worker and team leader. But it's hard to see the defense taking a nosedive without him. With Jackson playing all but two quarters of the season, the Browns still ranked 30th in the league in run defense.
• Interesting. With a Pro Bowl nose tackle and a standout inside linebacker, only two teams rank worse than the Browns in run defense.
• Might this be a problem?
• Only 16 days until Bruce Springsteen hits Quicken Loans Arena.
• In case anyone was wondering.
• The New York Jets are winless since acquiring Braylon Edwards. Since trading him, the Browns are 1-1.
• Maybe that's the secret.
• Russian billionaire and new New Jersey Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov took a bunch of friends to lunch in Manhattan this past week. The tab at Nello on the Upper East Side: $18,757.87. The tab included (according to the New York Post): $825 for three orders of truffle tagliolini, $600 for four orders of truffle carpaccio, $210 for three orders of veal chops with mushrooms and $72 for six large waters. Three bottles of libations topped out at $8,600, and Prokhorov left a tip of $3,750.
• And we thought the New York Knicks were the team to worry about when LeBron James becomes a free agent?
• My typical lunch at Subway goes for $6.37 when it's made into a meal. Prokhorov could have bought 2,944 flatbread meals for his $18.757K. Sadly, it includes no truffles.
• Until next time . . . there you have it.
The front office of the Browns made a very subtle change a couple weeks ago when it invited one of its own to help.
Now the question becomes how significant the change becomes in the long term.
Bernie Kosar acknowledged in a phone interview on Friday that he would like to grow his consulting role into a full-time gig.
How that plays out, though, not even Kosar is sure.
''I'd like to see how I'm fitting and see where I could genuinely help,'' Kosar said from South Florida en route to parent-teacher conferences at his kids' school. ''Right now, because it's the season, it's hard to do that.''
Kosar said he got a surprising call to ''consult'' from team owner Randy Lerner shortly after the loss to the Cincinnati Bengals. At that point, the Browns were 0-4 and exulting over losing close to the Bengals at home.
Lerner has kept quiet this season, which is not unusual. Kosar would not go into personal details about what Lerner told him.
But Lerner has to be well aware that it was his decision to hire coach Eric Mangini, and if it doesn't work it falls on him.
Asking Kosar to help might be the first step in recognizing the situation needs shoring.
The Browns did not publicize the move, nor did Kosar, who preferred to keep it quiet. But since the Plain Dealer first reported the story a week ago, Kosar has been upfront about the situation.
Kosar has longed to help his beloved Browns since 1999, when he supported the Carmen Policy-Al Lerner ownership group.
He was involved on the periphery, but never in the building doing what he's doing now. He has no title, and he said that's fine.
The past few years were tumultuous for him, as he struggled through a difficult divorce he did not want. He recently had to file for personal bankruptcy — and included in the list of debts was $1 million owed to the Browns.
He said things have settled down, and he feels better able to contribute.
''The first thing right now is analyzing and learning what it is we do and what it's called,'' Kosar said. ''The system is pretty intricate and there's a million calls. You can't talk coaching lingo unless you know that stuff. So I have to look at the film and learn the playbook.
''Then I've been trying to get ready for the offseason and how we're going to balance that, because the coaches have to focus solely on Green Bay.''
This sounds like a man who is involved.
Learning the system should not be too difficult. Kosar always has been a quick study, and he has a football mind.
Now comes the challenge of translating that football IQ into positive action with a losing team that lacks playmakers.
But it's also delicate, because Mangini and General Manager George Kokinis were hired to do a job, and the appearance that Kosar is looking over their shoulders would not be good for anyone — Kosar included.
That's probably why Kosar stressed positives. Among them the play of center Alex Mack.
Kosar said a team needs ''core, foundation, tough guys in the middle'' and added ''you could make a case to keep the fifth pick and take someone who's more 'sexy,' but I'm glad we have Alex Mack.''
He likes the effort of the players, said a more disciplined approach was needed and said offensive coordinator Brian Daboll's emphases are ''right out of my playbook.''
Kosar did not sugarcoat the team's standing. He knows it needs playmakers, and he said there have been too many mistakes made in past drafts.
''It stinks,'' he said. ''Fans don't want to hear it. It's been 10 years. But George and Eric, it's not their fault it's been 10 years. They've got to right the foundation and get busy doing the right things.''
Kosar's presence could prompt some nervous feelings from the coach, who didn't bring him in but must accept him. Kosar can analyze, assess and suggest, but he's not titled or empowered to make major changes.
''There's a lot of different ways that our conversations have gone,'' Mangini said. ''[Kosar] gives some good insight and I've enjoyed spending some time with him.''
Safe to say Kosar would not accept a role if he could not have some impact. But he's also smart enough to know he can't upset things during the season.
But if things go as it appears they might, by this offseason Kosar could have a bigger role.
Perhaps even as the guy making the football decisions.
Indians manager
The Indians' search for a new manager took a fascinating turn this past week when Bobby Valentine came to town.
His interview was the most interesting I've heard in a long time.
Valentine was engaging, funny, punch-drunk from lack of sleep (two hours the night before), arrogant, confident and insightful.
He admitted he knew nothing about the Indians' roster, the Central Division or the American League.
He said he's a ''lousy loser'' and added that managing in Japan the past six years means he's not familiar with baseball today — including the numbing number of new statistics that teams like the Indians love to use.
He admitted he was giving reasons not to hire him, and said he wasn't even sure if he'd take the job.
He basically showed up, said this is what I am and this is what I do and if you want to hire me, it'd be great.
Manny Acta, who interviewed a few days earlier, studied the team and discussed specific players. Valentine didn't even try.
''There's a whole generation of players I've only seen on TV,'' he said.
It was fascinating in its arrogance, admirable in its honesty.
Valentine does have a track record, though. He has six years of experience in Japan, 15 with the Texas Rangers and New York Mets, and he took the Mets to the World Series. He ruffled feathers, criticized players publicly and didn't worry about soothing egos.
He said he'd never really gone through a job interview to manage, and when asked why he wanted the job he said: ''I'm a baseball manager, and they're looking to hire one of those guys. There are only 30 major-league managers in the world. I think they are 30 very special people and very lucky people.''
In many ways, Valentine is everything the Indians would not seem to want. He's not going to be boxed into any kind of approach. He's not afraid of controversy. He's old school instead of reliant on statistics.
His interview was viewed from the outside as kind of an ''OK, sure'' kind of thing.
But after listening to him talk about the Japanese culture and approach to practice and about bullpens, pitch counts and steroids — ''I didn't know what was going on right under my nose'' — it's hard not to be incredibly intrigued by the guy.
''In Japan the [manager] is called Tantoukachou,'' he said. ''The definition of the word isn't a manager, it's a director. I really think I am more of a director.
''I can adjust the volume of the orchestra. I put the right sounds and instruments in the right places to make something that's pleasing to the ear, the eyes and the baseball community.''
Maybe a change to a different personality is what the Indians need.
Maybe Valentine is the right guy in this situation.
He'd sure be interesting to follow every day.
Acta, meanwhile, used the imperial ''we'' and ''our'' a lot. He referred to players in first person, and said he'd been studying the Indians the final month of the season.
''I don't think any of you guys have any idea how long we've been in contact,'' he said.
Almost as if he knows he's the odds-on favorite.
Acta seemed personable, friendly and knowledgeable. He didn't carry himself like Valentine, but he was confident nonetheless.
It seems as if Acta has the lead with Valentine making a strong stretch run — if the Indians are willing to take a chance to hire him.
Random thoughts
• Think there isn't a pressure release pitching for a team that expects to win as opposed to one that wants to win because it hasn't in such a long time?
Think of CC Sabathia.
Sabathia's playoff record with the Indians: 2-2 with a 7.18 ERA.
Sabathia's playoff record with the Milwaukee Brewers: 0-1, 12.27.
Sabathia's playoff record with the New York Yankees: 3-0, 1.19.
• How do these things happen?
• Yes, we are looking at Cliff Lee or Sabathia pitching their teams to the World Series.
• While we anticipate David Huff's first start next season.
• Kosar talked about Brady Quinn, and said at this point in his career it might not be best for him to play so close to home. ''People are always around, and they want to talk football or hang out with you,'' Kosar said. ''That takes away from your ability to study football, hang out with your teammates, just immerse yourself in the team. I'm not saying it's the problem, but it could be part of it. It takes away from looking at film, staying at practice. This is a stage in his life where I think he needs to focus just on football. It's tough. It's not his fault, but if anybody can relate to that . . . ''
• Who'd have thought that Jeff Samardzija would have the best arm from the Notre Dame team that included Quinn?
• Not that Samardzija is faring much better. For his career, he's 2-3 with a 5.20 ERA with the Chicago Cubs.
• Cheer, cheer for old Notre Dame?
• D'Qwell Jackson's season-ending injury was a shame for a good guy, hard worker and team leader. But it's hard to see the defense taking a nosedive without him. With Jackson playing all but two quarters of the season, the Browns still ranked 30th in the league in run defense.
• Interesting. With a Pro Bowl nose tackle and a standout inside linebacker, only two teams rank worse than the Browns in run defense.
• Might this be a problem?
• Only 16 days until Bruce Springsteen hits Quicken Loans Arena.
• In case anyone was wondering.
• The New York Jets are winless since acquiring Braylon Edwards. Since trading him, the Browns are 1-1.
• Maybe that's the secret.
• Russian billionaire and new New Jersey Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov took a bunch of friends to lunch in Manhattan this past week. The tab at Nello on the Upper East Side: $18,757.87. The tab included (according to the New York Post): $825 for three orders of truffle tagliolini, $600 for four orders of truffle carpaccio, $210 for three orders of veal chops with mushrooms and $72 for six large waters. Three bottles of libations topped out at $8,600, and Prokhorov left a tip of $3,750.
• And we thought the New York Knicks were the team to worry about when LeBron James becomes a free agent?
• My typical lunch at Subway goes for $6.37 when it's made into a meal. Prokhorov could have bought 2,944 flatbread meals for his $18.757K. Sadly, it includes no truffles.
• Until next time . . . there you have it.
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Mentor, OH
Posted 06:03 PM, 10/24/2009
I wonder what role Kosar ends up filling with the Browns. President of football operations? In charge of Kokonis and Mangini? Running the draft room and having the final say on all player moves? Doubtful but interesting. I could see Mangini and the scouts making cases with film to Kosar and Kosar using his knowledge and extraordinary football IQ to make the final decision.
Taking over the offense for Daboll? More likely, Daboll has not gotten much done and is a neophyte at the job, but probably too much work and not enough glory for Kosar. I would put Kosar in the press box and have him send play suggestions down to Daboll before he sends them out to Anderson.
Mangini gets at least one more year, so Kosar will not be the head coach. I doubt he wants it either, again too many hours.
So just what mix of impact, low hours, possibility for glory without responsibility that gets him the blame can Kosar take?
Kosar knows more about football, especially offense than Mangini, Kokonis and Daboll combined, so he can only help make the Browns better as long as it does not cause a mutiny.
cuyahoga falls, oh
Posted 08:26 PM, 10/24/2009
Kosar talked about Brady Quinn, and said at this point in his career it might not be best for him to play so close to home. ''People are always around, and they want to talk football or hang out with you,'' Kosar said. ''That takes away from your ability to study football, hang out with your teammates, just immerse yourself in the team. I'm not saying it's the problem, but it could be part of it. It takes away from looking at film, staying at practice. This is a stage in his life where I think he needs to focus just on football. It's tough. It's not his fault, but if anybody can relate to that . . . ''
i like kosar joining the management, and its a good move for fans--nothing was like having our local boy bernie, which is why this advice is really odd; one would think he would have said the opposite...i guess quinn is history. bad move.
cuyahoga falls, oh
Posted 08:26 PM, 10/24/2009
bad advice.
akron, oh
Posted 10:40 PM, 10/24/2009
Bernie is absolutely right. His comment has set the tone for the departure of Quinn. The question is: can Bernie improve our drafts?
Barberton, Oh
Posted 05:54 AM, 10/25/2009
I am so delighted to read this about BK. Not that I'm saying he is a total head football coach type of
person, but he is very knowledgeable at least on the offences side. Ever since the Browns have came
back (minus one good year). You could see they needed someone like him. He's smarter than most coaches
out there. I would rather take advice from someone that's been there, done that, then someone that hasn't.
(Bad advice about Brady)... I think he (BK) seen it for what it was. If I was on this team, I'd jump on a chance to be
on a more stable team. That's why someone like BK is a big plus. He knows what he is talking about.
It's hard to say if the people he would help draft would be top of the line playmakers, but the kind of players he
would help draft will be the type of players that would make this a much better team all around.
Canton, OH
Posted 09:11 AM, 10/25/2009
Bernie is the man. . . .
Cleveland, Oh
Posted 09:20 AM, 10/25/2009
I'm happy to see that Mr. Lerner isnt completely brain dead when it comes to making hiring decisions. Bernie has proven leadership off and on the field. It would be nice to have someone who knows football to be in the mix in whatever capacity it may take. But will Mangenius welcome Bernie with open arms or will he take the " my way or the highway " approach? Bernie is the bridge to the last successful teams we had in this town. And god knows we could use a little success around here.I only hope that Mangenius isnt so stuborn to see the positives Bernie could make for this team. GO BERNIE and GO BROWNS!!!
Wichita Falls, Tx
Posted 10:34 AM, 10/25/2009
I believe it would be smart of our braintrust (owner/coach/gm/comsultants) to look at having Quinn play the rest of the year. He needs the work and it will not make it any worse.
Next look at possibly trading both #1 & 2 QB's - Face it this is going to stay a horrible year, and we need the draft picks (Quinn to Carolina, Anderson to Jacksonville). Our Browns need to really have 2 awesome drafts. You might hate him, but Jimmy Johnson knows how to build a team and the man can draft like a Mutha, contract him as a consultant. Lets face it folks, the war is won/lost on the line (OG,OT,NG,DT,TE&DE) that is were we are weakest except for BigJoe - he's da man.
That being said , this coming draft is rich on the offensive side, with some defensive gems. Please Mr. Lerner, help us all out, & I can finally shut up my stupid Cowboys loving friends.
Wichita Falls, Tx
Posted 10:36 AM, 10/25/2009
BTW, A Big Texas welcome back for Bernie. My #19 Jersey is tatered, torn and old, but I still wear it every week!
Posted 11:35 AM, 10/25/2009
still not sure how the clowns are better with d.o.A? Quinn i thought was pretty good last year and this year it seems they have a vise around neck this kid wants to be the clowns QB so badly its affected his play and of course missgenie has his foot on his ##### well you know what...sad sad sad..GO CAVS!!!!!!!! GO STEELERS!! keep trying clowns..Valentine just for the daily Quotes...
phoenix, az
Posted 01:00 PM, 10/25/2009
people are being naive here. read between the lines. kosar recently filed bankruptcy while owing the browns $1,000,000,000.00. you don't think a representative for the browns was at the filing, and came to an 'understanding' of how to pay back the browns? them not publicizing it was only out of respect for kosar. he's just working off his debt. so don't go looking for miracles. they might not listen to a word the guy says. just workin' off a debt....
akron, oh
Posted 01:58 PM, 10/25/2009
Bernie is Bankrupt: I guess he's a perfect fit for
the Browns then>> NOT!
phoenix, az
Posted 03:03 PM, 10/25/2009
if kosar really wants to help, tell him to suit up. he's gotta do better than dawreck anderson. I'm beginning to think the best thing we could have done was to let modell take the history of this team with him. we need a clean break. everyone in cleveland is still living off the reputation of their last good years....50 years ago. new team. do over.
phoenix, az
Posted 03:16 PM, 10/25/2009
if kosar really wants to help tell him to suit up. he's gotta do better than dawreck anderson. I'm beginning to believe the best thing we could have done was to let modell take the team history with him. people in cleveland have been living off the browns' reputation in their last good years....50 years ago. new team. do over.
Akron, Oh
Posted 03:29 PM, 10/25/2009
Rumor has it Mangini is only gonna dress 22 players for today's game. The rest can apparently dress themselves.
What a pile of turds this coach has to work with.
Barberton, Oh
Posted 04:24 PM, 10/25/2009
@Thunder.. LOL
Paradise, Oh
Posted 04:42 PM, 10/25/2009
Bernie has sobered up?
I hope he can find his sunglasses.
Posted 09:55 PM, 10/25/2009
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Posted 11:02 PM, 10/25/2009
suit him up
Hiram, GA
Posted 07:35 AM, 10/26/2009
Was that Bernie talking or Foster Brooks?
Green, Ohio
Posted 09:23 AM, 10/26/2009
jaymeegabriel - Huh? He owes the browns a billion bucks? Are you as drunk as kosar is? There is no way he owes them a billion dollars and so you know nothing of what you are talking about. First of all, yes he is bankrupt, yes, he is getting money from the browns, but only to pay for his bankruptcy. You think the browns payed him all he needs to pay of his debts and now he owes the browns? NOT! Kosar was a smart QB, he just lacked the final 20% of what makes a perfect quarter back. It is called mobility. Now, if he can take the knowledge he has and put it into the browns it may help them, but even he stated, it is so far downhill right now this season, he probably can't change the course.
hudson, oh
Posted 09:23 AM, 10/26/2009
Bernie's failed at everything the's tried since retiring, so he's perfectly qualified to be with the Browns. Another Republican loser just like Quinn. No, I won't forget Bernie campaigning for Taft then Quinn for McCain. People out for themselves only. Non team-players.
