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By Patrick McManamon
Beacon Journal sports writer
POSTED: 08:18 p.m. EST, Nov 01, 2009
CHICAGO:The only certainty from the Browns' embarrassment against the Bears: Randy Lerner said no when asked whether he'd consider changing the coach in the bye week.
Aside from that fact, the Browns appear to be approaching an implosion.
Just listen to them after a 30-6 loss that was even more one-sided than the score.
''It's ridiculous,'' said quarterback Derek Anderson.
He was right. The Browns right now are ridiculous.
Include Anderson in the group. His quarterback rating after the first half: zero-point-zero. By game's end, it had risen — to 10.5. Yet coach Eric Mangini kept him in the game for almost 57 minutes.
During the game, Lerner stood in the tunnel and watched where just about everyone could see his reactions.
After, he tried to explain his team's state but really couldn't.
''I'm sick about it,'' he said. ''I saw the same thing you saw.''
Some pointed questions were directed at him, and he answered some, but in a couple of cases asked for a couple of days to clear his mind and reflect:
-- Would you consider a change in coaches during the bye week?
He looked up, pondered for some 10 or 15 seconds, then shook his head no.
-- Do you want to hire someone to run the football side of the operations?
Yes, he said, that is a priority. Someone who can explain the decisions and ask the right questions internally. Bernie Kosar's name did not come up, but he clearly is a possible choice.
-- What can fans hang their hats on for the remainder of the season?
Lerner said he ''feels like St. Anthony,'' the patron saint of lost items, then said he really didn't have ''a great answer for what to hang your hat on right now other than a massive amount of thought and analysis and reflection and personal honesty is going to go into thinking about what's going on.''
He admitted that's not a real answer, but he needed time rather than speaking in an emotional moment after a game.
-- Is what he's being told about the quarterback situation sensible to him, because from the outside, the way the quarterbacks have been used did not seem sensible? Lerner said he hadn't been told much, but admitted it did not seem sensible.
As he spoke, he looked as baffled as anyone who watched as Brady Quinn stayed stuck to the bench while Anderson was completing 6-of-17 passes, with two of his completions fumbled away to the Bears.
Quinn didn't even look for his helmet until Anderson was hit as he threw from the end zone. That throw turned into an interception, which turned into Chicago's last touchdown.
The point isn't that Quinn demands the playing time; it's that Anderson's play was nowhere for the second week in a row. His footwork was off, his arm-motion inconsistent. As a result, the offense was beyond poor.
Why not try something?
Like Lerner, Quinn was asked some pointed questions:
-- Did something happen to keep him on the bench?
''All I know is we've got to get better as a team,'' Quinn said.
-- Did he challenge the coach in any way, speak up in a meeting, get into an argument with him?
''No,'' he said. ''You don't need to fabricate things. The situation is what it's been. Everyone has to support one another.''
-- Do you wonder what it will take for you to get into a game?
''No,'' he said. ''I feel like our team needs to get better right now.''
Then there was Jamal Lewis, a pro's pro who did not argue for one second when it was suggested to him that this season must be like torture. Lewis then said this season probably will be his last.
-- Nobody could have expected a 1-7 start?
''Not the way we work,'' he said. ''The way we work in practice, the way we work in training camp, I wouldn't have expected it, either. You just have to put the pieces of the puzzle together and find out what are we really trying to do.
''I'm sure that is win, but it's how we're trying to win. How are we trying to win? What are we trying to do? I think that's what everybody is trying to figure out.''
--Does he have an understanding what the Browns are trying to do?
''No, I don't have an understanding,'' Lewis said. ''I just know we're trying to win. I know we want to win, but at the same time, a lot comes with winning. A lot comes with the formula, with your chemistry.''
Lewis admitted this was not good to say at the halfway point of the season, but added he was not calling out the coach.
''We're all men,'' he said. ''That's something that we have to figure out. We have to know where we're trying to go.
''It's not about the coach. It's about us as whole, period.''
Half a season remains for something to change, but hope is hard to find. Right now the Browns are embarrassing themselves at every turn, and in every city.
Patrick McManamon can be reached at pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com. Read his blog at http://www.ohio.com/mcmanamon/. Follow Pat on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/patmcmanamon.
CHICAGO:The only certainty from the Browns' embarrassment against the Bears: Randy Lerner said no when asked whether he'd consider changing the coach in the bye week.
Aside from that fact, the Browns appear to be approaching an implosion.
Just listen to them after a 30-6 loss that was even more one-sided than the score.
''It's ridiculous,'' said quarterback Derek Anderson.
He was right. The Browns right now are ridiculous.
Include Anderson in the group. His quarterback rating after the first half: zero-point-zero. By game's end, it had risen — to 10.5. Yet coach Eric Mangini kept him in the game for almost 57 minutes.
During the game, Lerner stood in the tunnel and watched where just about everyone could see his reactions.
After, he tried to explain his team's state but really couldn't.
''I'm sick about it,'' he said. ''I saw the same thing you saw.''
Some pointed questions were directed at him, and he answered some, but in a couple of cases asked for a couple of days to clear his mind and reflect:
-- Would you consider a change in coaches during the bye week?
He looked up, pondered for some 10 or 15 seconds, then shook his head no.
-- Do you want to hire someone to run the football side of the operations?
Yes, he said, that is a priority. Someone who can explain the decisions and ask the right questions internally. Bernie Kosar's name did not come up, but he clearly is a possible choice.
-- What can fans hang their hats on for the remainder of the season?
Lerner said he ''feels like St. Anthony,'' the patron saint of lost items, then said he really didn't have ''a great answer for what to hang your hat on right now other than a massive amount of thought and analysis and reflection and personal honesty is going to go into thinking about what's going on.''
He admitted that's not a real answer, but he needed time rather than speaking in an emotional moment after a game.
-- Is what he's being told about the quarterback situation sensible to him, because from the outside, the way the quarterbacks have been used did not seem sensible? Lerner said he hadn't been told much, but admitted it did not seem sensible.
As he spoke, he looked as baffled as anyone who watched as Brady Quinn stayed stuck to the bench while Anderson was completing 6-of-17 passes, with two of his completions fumbled away to the Bears.
Quinn didn't even look for his helmet until Anderson was hit as he threw from the end zone. That throw turned into an interception, which turned into Chicago's last touchdown.
The point isn't that Quinn demands the playing time; it's that Anderson's play was nowhere for the second week in a row. His footwork was off, his arm-motion inconsistent. As a result, the offense was beyond poor.
Why not try something?
Like Lerner, Quinn was asked some pointed questions:
-- Did something happen to keep him on the bench?
''All I know is we've got to get better as a team,'' Quinn said.
-- Did he challenge the coach in any way, speak up in a meeting, get into an argument with him?
''No,'' he said. ''You don't need to fabricate things. The situation is what it's been. Everyone has to support one another.''
-- Do you wonder what it will take for you to get into a game?
''No,'' he said. ''I feel like our team needs to get better right now.''
Then there was Jamal Lewis, a pro's pro who did not argue for one second when it was suggested to him that this season must be like torture. Lewis then said this season probably will be his last.
-- Nobody could have expected a 1-7 start?
''Not the way we work,'' he said. ''The way we work in practice, the way we work in training camp, I wouldn't have expected it, either. You just have to put the pieces of the puzzle together and find out what are we really trying to do.
''I'm sure that is win, but it's how we're trying to win. How are we trying to win? What are we trying to do? I think that's what everybody is trying to figure out.''
--Does he have an understanding what the Browns are trying to do?
''No, I don't have an understanding,'' Lewis said. ''I just know we're trying to win. I know we want to win, but at the same time, a lot comes with winning. A lot comes with the formula, with your chemistry.''
Lewis admitted this was not good to say at the halfway point of the season, but added he was not calling out the coach.
''We're all men,'' he said. ''That's something that we have to figure out. We have to know where we're trying to go.
''It's not about the coach. It's about us as whole, period.''
Half a season remains for something to change, but hope is hard to find. Right now the Browns are embarrassing themselves at every turn, and in every city.
Patrick McManamon can be reached at pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com. Read his blog at http://www.ohio.com/mcmanamon/. Follow Pat on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/patmcmanamon.
Randy Lerner needs to give justice to the season ticket holders, and let next season's tickets be free.
It's interesting that the clowns payroll is higher than the defending super bowl champs. Gee, perhaps someone is needed to run the football side of operations. What a joke. Maybe the clowns will get another cup cake schedule next year, like they had a few seasons back.
i feel for the players... i heard that back in NAM they would shoot the officers that were inept and led their men to danger....just saying ..GO CAVS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i did clean the garage, the yard and my work truck poor doug dieken even sounded P####D ! SAD SAD SAD!!
Media members are much more effective and credible when their work isn't tainted by personal grudges.
Fan displeasure could turn to an epidemic real quick, hopefully forcing the owner to change this painful course.
Sadly, the coach, system, players don't seem to be able to do that.
we are in disarray. . .
Go Clowns!!!! Were fighting for the 2010 #1 draft pick! We will find a way to lose that too. SO EMBARASSING!!!
This could be the worst team in league history. And that's not an exageration.
Anderson needs to be shipped back to Skapoose or where ever he came from. He is NOT a Quarterback. He is an EMBARRASSMENT!!!
This team is now the worst team with the worst QB, the worst Offensive coordinator and the worst head coach in the NFL.
"approaching an implosion?" "approaching!" You're too kind Pat. This team has been imploding for years! It's been one long implosion since I can remember.
Everyone is correct. This could be the worst team ever. Worse than the Mets. Forget the one victory.
It's like watching the Washington Generals play the Globetrotters.
@TOJ: GREAT AVATAR!
Mr Lerner, there are voices out there to listen to who are able to pin point just exactly what is wrong . LOOK AT THIS PREDICTION BY A GOOD FOOTBALL MIND:Esiason says Mangini's environment could stifle Browns' quarterbacks
Sunday, August 30, 2009
By Marla Ridenour, Akron Beacon Journal
NEW YORK -- Former quarterback Boomer Esiason witnessed the second start of Brady Quinn's career last year in Buffalo and still believes the Cleveland Browns' 2007 first-round pick is "the real deal."
But Esiason fears that the "environment of insecurity" created by new Browns coach Eric Mangini will prevent the winner of the quarterback competition between Quinn and Derek Anderson from succeeding in the long run.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09242/994252-66.stm#ixzz0Vg0djyJm
IT HAS COME TRUE. Please wise up to who MANGINI really is.
He better consider a coach change! This guy Mangini MUST GO NOW!
Ratliff
randy learner needs to open his eyes. eric mangini needs to go. wasnt yesterdays article from dabol saying derek is getting better and just about got it turned around , 10.6 quarterback rating, now i dont know what the coach's see but what i saw was a big pile of stink.its time to fire dabol and mangini and all the other ego maniacs mangini has collected. mr. learner then name you need to find ins coach cowher. how about bill parcels as gm , how about shottenheymer as gm ? im for any protest that will bring change
The saddest part is that the 99 team could beat this year's team!! I just dont know what to say...do you bring in another new Coach when the biggest problem has been the amount of change with the team? I think Randy is in way over his head and trying to stay above water here.
Naming Bernie team President would be a step in the right direction. Naming Quinn starer for the rest of the year would be good as well. We need a real leader for this organization.
Hey Hey Ho Ho E Missgenie GOTTA GO!!!!!!!!!!!
Ahhh! The curse of Cleveland sports
Which team, if any, will be the first to break through the bubble and bring it on home?
Perhaps if the city were to close down the Flats while leaving the boyz no place to ‘kick it’, then they could spend a little more time practicing and perfecting their craft. After which then they would have the time and a reason to ‘kick it’ and celebrate.
In the mean time…the Browns, Tribe and the Cavs all need to refrain from getting s@&% faced the night before and focus more on showing up for the game.
That series where Anderson threw the pick-six showed exactly what was wrong with this team and why NO QB will succeed under this regime. Trailing by 16 with the ball inside their own one yard line, they ran two running plays up the middle and then on third down, when everyone in the stadium knew they were gonna throw the ball, Anderson got hit as he threw it and they ran the int in for a TD. Why not try something different on first or second down?!? Afraid of getting a safety? You're already losing by 16! What's another two points? This offense is ultra conservative and uncreative even when they have absolutely nothing to lose.
I am not sure i understood the point of putting Brady in when he did? There was no way he could salvage anything - DA already knew he had done awful so i don't see it as a way to tell him his playing was terrible.
fire mangina and you get another ex-head coach still on the payroll. Once we're thru paying the likes of Butch and Romeo, we'll have more capacity for bringing in talent.
Why are coaches salaries guaranteed?
I know the answer but it still stinks.
Just like the politicians in DC, once you make the grade you don't have to worry about the job you do.
Having said that == get rid of Mangini NOW, not next week, NOW! Put Bernie in as interim coach and then hire Cowher for next year and let Bernie have part of the front office and a second job as QB coach!
Last week they ran a quarterback sneak on second-and-one! Who does that?
Randy, the sad fact is: You were snowed by a smooth-talking phony in an interview. No one understood your jubilance in hiring Mangini. No other team would've hired him. He is an egotistical control-freak. Think about it. No employee can flourish under such a "leader" (and I use that term in its loosest sense, because Mangini is no leader).
The team can't stand him, the fans can't stand him, and the nation--in unison--is mocking him and the Browns for their complete ineptness. You gave the keys to the kingdom to the court jester. You now have to make the tough decision, but the correct decision, to jettison this phony on the next train. He and his entire staff. We simply CANNOT entrust this team and the next draft and our future to this Ball Boy.
This is soooooooooo OBVIOUSLY the coaches fault, no doubt the coaches salary is the issue.
Bernie had to declare bankruptcy. That hardly gives me confidence.
did this so called team so up? how could anyone tell?
There are High School Teams that put in a better
game then these so called Pro's... and the Coach's of those High School Teams Know how to call plays..
way better then this so called team ever will..
Cleveland Sports Teams are a Joke..no wonder why half
the State are Someother State's Fans..
spirit of reagan - glad i am not the only one to feel that way.
The Browns are playing so poorly that, in some kind of a twisted way, they are as interesting as a team that plays well. If the team were to rise and garner a mediocre record, they would not be as fascinating to watch. I think that Randy Lerner should embrace the moment and revel in the upside of being horrible. Since there is not much room to go down, he can try just about anything without doing much more damage. He should feel free to take bold and risky actions. One thing is certain: keeping things the same will brng the same results.
Managing your money and managing an NFL team have very little to do with one another. This is why every wealthy goober thinks that if they're good at managing money, they'll be good at owning or running an NFL team (or an MLB Franchise for that matter), and that's not necessarily the case. We here in Cleveland are living proof of that!
Again, fighting for that #1 draft pick.Tim Couch(oops,sorry)Tim Tebow(I knew it was Tim something) Does it really matter? He'll be ruined anyway w/ Mangini as head coach. Who would he throw to? No receivers left! This team should be rebuilt then in 10 years,no problem. I can see Mangini: coach of the year.Time to move the team to Los Angeles But keep the COLORS & the NAME!
hire right now so he can have the last 8 games to see what we dont have ! give him whatever he wants ! Michael George Holmgren (born June 15, 1948 in San Francisco, California) is a professional football coach. He served as the head coach of the Green Bay Packers from 1992 to 1998, the Seattle Seahawks from 1999 to 2008. Prior to his career in the National Football League, Holmgren coached football at the high school and collegiate levels. He is noted for his role in molding quarterbacks such as Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre and Matt Hasselbeck during his tenures in San Francisco, Green Bay and Seattle. Under Holmgren's leadership and play calling the Green Bay Packers were consistent winners; and, he has become known as one of the best coaches in the NFL, leading them to their twelfth league championship in Super Bowl XXXI. Under Holmgren the Seahawks also became a perennial playoff team, including a trip to the franchise's first Super Bowl in 2005.
hello randy fire the mangini and hire a real coach Michael George Holmgren (born June 15, 1948 in San Francisco, California) is a professional football coach. He served as the head coach of the Green Bay Packers from 1992 to 1998, the Seattle Seahawks from 1999 to 2008. Prior to his career in the National Football League, Holmgren coached football at the high school and collegiate levels. He is noted for his role in molding quarterbacks such as Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre and Matt Hasselbeck during his tenures in San Francisco, Green Bay and Seattle. Under Holmgren's leadership and play calling the Green Bay Packers were consistent winners; and, he has become known as one of the best coaches in the NFL, leading them to their twelfth league championship in Super Bowl XXXI. Under Holmgren the Seahawks also became a perennial playoff team, including a trip to the franchise's first Super Bowl in 2005.
Bernie? Please - let's not live in the past. If that were the measure, surely we would go after the ghost of say...Marion Motely!?. Nothing against old 19, but statistically Kosar wasn't even the Browns best quarterback. Not only that, but Kosar's personal life is a train wreck. You want that guy behind the Brown's at this point? Think Holmgren, Shanahan, Gruden, Cowher etc.
WHO CARES !!!!!
As much as I love the buy, I don't think Bernie is the answer. I don't think the reincarnated Vince Lombardi or Paul Brown could straighten out these jokers. Add me to the chorus...Slo Lerner, please sell the team to someone who loves them as much as we do.
Brian Billick Please. he can draft, runs good d an d is a leader.
Try this a second time. I would not watch this team if they played in my backyard. Let alone buy a ticket. I would rather watch a pee wee varsity playoff game. A team that actually is going to try to execute there game plan and also play for the fun of the game. Not collect a pay check and go to south beach. Also a blind person could listen to play annoucers and draft better than the browns scouting team. Go Bengals
i would hire bernie he is a smart football guy daaa hey lerner ! Green Bay Packers, 1992–1998
Holmgren was head coach of the Green Bay Packers from 1992 to 1998, which became one of the most successful coaching stints in NFL history. As head coach of the Packers, Holmgren posted a 75–37–0 (67.0%) regular-season record, a 9–5 (64.3%) postseason mark, and two Super Bowl appearances, including a 35-21 victory over the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XXXI. By winning at least one game in five consecutive postseasons (1993–1997) Holmgren joined John Madden (1973–1977) as the only coaches in league history to accomplish the feat. Holmgren's Packers posted an NFL-best 48–16 (75.0%) record, finished first in the NFC Central Division three times, second once, and set a 7–3 mark in the playoffs between 1995 and 1998. By taking the Packers to six consecutive postseasons (1993–1998), Holmgren set a franchise record with a team that had had just two winning seasons in the 19 years before he was hired.
Many of Holmgren's 1992 assistant coaches, including Andy Reid, Steve Mariucci, Dick Jauron, Ray Rhodes and Jon Gruden, would go on to head coaching careers in the NFL. Marty Mornhinweg, an assistant hired later in Holmgren's tenure at Green Bay, also became an NFL head coach, but is now the offensive coordinator under Andy Reid with the Philadelphia
Maybe Paranoid Pat McBigwhiner has a point or two, mostly as he sticks pins into his Man Genie doll, but the Browns were awful last year. Perhaps, Man Genie doesn't talk to McBigwhiner and so McBig wants to rail on him like a bullet train in Japan. Still, the O-line is better than last year. Let the Man Genie wave his wand for another year. If he can't create any magic by then, then he's a bygone. Get some sleep McBigwhiner. It must be hard to come up with your enlightening columns!
Maybe he should hold a madden (video game) tournament. Winner gets to be the coach. Runner up can be general manager or vice versa. The last 2 weeks I quit watching at 1/2 time. I just cant stomach it anymore.
Someday somebody will write a book about this alleged football team. It could be called "The Browns; 1999 to 2009: The Comeback Team That Never Came Back".
News hey lerner
Holmgren: Redskins’ treatment of Zorn was wrong
Posted: November 2nd, 2009 | NFL.com Staff | Tags: Jim Zorn, Mike Holmgren, Washington Redskins
The bridge that was connecting Mike Holmgren to the Washington Redskins head coaching job, should it come open, might have been blown up on Monday. And Holmgren was the one holding the gasoline can in one hand and a burned match in the other.
Holmgren was asked by Chicago ESPN 1000 radio hosts, Tom Waddle and Marc Silverman, what he thought about the Redskins removing the play-calling duties from head coach Jim Zorn, who was Holmgren’s quarterbacks coach in Seattle.
“I thought it was very unfair to put him in the position. The position they put Jim in, it shouldn’t happen,” Holmgren said. “You can be upset with me as a play-caller or how the team’s going, (then) fire me. But don’t do that. Don’t pull the rug out from under me, tie my hands, make me look foolish … take away what I came there for to do in the first place. Don’t do that.”
It has been rumored that the Redskins were on Holmgren’s short list of teams he would like to coach should he come out of retirement in 2010, an idea he has been publicly pushing for months. He has said on at least one occasion that he would love to coach on the East Coast after long stints in the Midwest with Green Bay and the West Coast in Seattle.
Time will tell if he has eliminated himself from the Redskins job after his strong comments on Monday, or if Holmgren was eliminating himself after witnessing the team’s treatment of a good friend.
“That bothered me a lot,” Holmgren said. “Jim Zorn is one of the nice people. I’m a nice guy, but I’m not that nice. Jim Zorn is really a nice man. What they did, I did not like it at all.”
the quarterback "controversy" was an effort to let it appear the money wasn't the deciding factor all along. Brady "won" the ridiculous controversy then was yanked.
brady was put back in for mop up time after it was impossible for him to get his 11 mill incentive. and this was supposedly to give him "more reps".
how thoughtful of them. will that boost his trade value? what a complete joke.
this is how to waste a first round pick on a quarterback. Kudos to Brady Quinn for keeping up the appearance that he actually still wants to play and saying nothing but positive things here. That is a class act. quinn will ask to be traded after this season and the revolving doors will go on.
BRING ART MODELL BACK HE WILL SOLVE ALL THE CLOWNS PROBLEMS LIKE HE DID BEFORE
Can someone tell me why the Browns have Brady Quinn? Why not use him?
Didn't Cleveland once possess a couple baseball players named C.C. Sabathia (sp?) and Cliff Lee? Wonder how those guys are doing?
Paul Brown called, he's suing for slander, libel, and fraud.
Bring former browns' players in to help Slow Lerner, doesn't he consult the mighty Jim "beatem good" Brown?
In watching that Monday night game last night they brought up the stat that Saints defense has scored more touchdowns than the Browns offense. Think about it....after 8 games, this offense is being outscored by a defense! That is beyond pathetic!
