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By Patrick McManamon
Beacon Journal sports columnist
POSTED: 12:04 a.m. EST, Nov 17, 2009
CLEVELAND: The Browns played the Baltimore Ravens even Monday night for a half.
Expect this to be the mantra from the coach following the eighth loss in nine games — well, we showed some positive things in the first half.
Gosh golly gee whiz, get out the Black Label for that one Mabel.
Whatever.
What was painfully evident was that it took one possession and one completion and one touchdown for the game to swing the Ravens' way.
All involved fundamental errors that 1-and-7 teams like the Browns make even though they cannot afford them.
Take them in order.
The Browns had the Ravens facing third-and-5 at their 46-yard-line. This is a good situation for a defense, and in the first half the Browns were able to stop the Ravens on five-of-six third downs.
They chose the wrong time to end that positive.
Brandon McDonald gave up a simple out pass to Derrick Mason, then compounded the mistake by going for the ball and not playing the man.
Mason turned a first down catch into a 41-yard gain.
The fundamental nature of the error was glaring. Had McDonald merely made the tackle after the catch, the Ravens would have been near the Browns' 40-yard line, not at the 13. McDonald's gamble and whiff allowed Mason to turn and run down the sideline.
There, as the Ravens lined up to run a play, the Browns, for inexplicable reasons, could not get the right personnel on the field.
Nine games into the season and the Browns had guys leaving the field and trotting on as Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco called signals.
The play was a simple handoff right to Ray Rice, which made sense because the last Browns defender to trot on the field was to the far left of the formation at the snap.
And he looked pretty lost as to where he was supposed to be.
The Browns have proved they cannot beat teams when playing 11-on-11. Trying to beat a team down a man seems way too much to ask.
Rice scored easily — the only blemish was that for the first time this season a Ravens back was touched on his way to the end zone against the Browns.
With 12:28 to go in the third quarter, the Ravens led 7-0.
Of course, these are the Browns so they could not merely leave well enough alone.
On first down, Brady Quinn threw toward Robert Royal. The throw was high and wide. Ravens safety Dawan Landry intercepted and scored a touchdown. This one, for good measure, was untouched.
At that point, the Browns' offense needed two scores to take a lead (Shaun Rogers blocked an extra point). It would have been easier to climb Mount Fuji.
Quinn's third-down throw went right through the hands of Mike Furrey and into the hands of the Ravens' Chris Carr.
This set up a field goal, making it 16-0. In just more than half of the third quarter, the Browns had turned a close game into a rout.
That's what happens when the Browns fall behind by 16. This is a team that has gone a year without a running back scoring a touchdown. Expecting them to come back from 16 behind against a defense like the Ravens' is expecting far too much.
The Browns were walking off the field, heads down, as if the deficit were 61.
Oh, there was also a cheap shot thrown in. Quinn, for inexplicable reasons (other than frustration), went low to the knees of the Ravens' Terrell Suggs during Carr's interception return.
A league intent on protecting players would enact a hefty fine for this hit.
Quinn was not blocking — the Ravens had the ball — and he dove at the knee of Suggs and sent Suggs to the locker room. Suggs was not even looking in Quinn's direction when Quinn hit him.
It's hard to think Quinn would try to hurt anyone intentionally, and Quinn did go and say something to Suggs. But a cheap shot is a cheap shot and this was unnecessary.
The game ended in a scary and bizarre way. Josh Cribbs had to be carted off the field after he took a blindside hit from a Ravens lineman on the game's final play. The Browns tried one of those lateral plays — apparently thinking a touchdown and 10-point conversion could tie the game.Cribbs took the shot and was taken off on a stretcher and cart after laying several minutes on the field.
How, then, to measure this loss?
As progress? Hardly.
Is it progress when the offense does not move past the opposing team's 45-yard line, when it runs a quick-rollout-and-throw offense filled with four- and five-yard passes?
Perhaps it's progress that at halftime the score was tied.
Hoo hoo. Zero-zero. Now let's charge in and make adjustments.
Except the only people who thought the first half was good football played for the Browns' defense.
The Ravens got close enough to miss a field goal, the Browns never got close enough to try.
The Browns did go no-huddle and had Quinn throwing quick, short passes. This was done not because of Quinn but to counter the Ravens' aggressive defensive style.
It worked OK. For a half. Though OK must be tempered by the reality that it led to zero points.
Nothing like building for the showdown with the Lions in Detroit with a scoreless first half.
This was neither pretty or attractive, it was just — close.
By early in the fourth quarter, the stands were deserted.
The pregame protest in which fans were not supposed to take their seats for kickoff was more or less a fizzle.
The Browns, though, did the protesters a favor. They played so poorly on offense they brought about a protest all by themselves.
Patrick McManamon can be reached at pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com. Read his blog at http://www.ohio.com/mcmanamon/. Follow Pat on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/patmcmanamon.
CLEVELAND: The Browns played the Baltimore Ravens even Monday night for a half.
Expect this to be the mantra from the coach following the eighth loss in nine games — well, we showed some positive things in the first half.
Gosh golly gee whiz, get out the Black Label for that one Mabel.
Whatever.
What was painfully evident was that it took one possession and one completion and one touchdown for the game to swing the Ravens' way.
All involved fundamental errors that 1-and-7 teams like the Browns make even though they cannot afford them.
Take them in order.
The Browns had the Ravens facing third-and-5 at their 46-yard-line. This is a good situation for a defense, and in the first half the Browns were able to stop the Ravens on five-of-six third downs.
They chose the wrong time to end that positive.
Brandon McDonald gave up a simple out pass to Derrick Mason, then compounded the mistake by going for the ball and not playing the man.
Mason turned a first down catch into a 41-yard gain.
The fundamental nature of the error was glaring. Had McDonald merely made the tackle after the catch, the Ravens would have been near the Browns' 40-yard line, not at the 13. McDonald's gamble and whiff allowed Mason to turn and run down the sideline.
There, as the Ravens lined up to run a play, the Browns, for inexplicable reasons, could not get the right personnel on the field.
Nine games into the season and the Browns had guys leaving the field and trotting on as Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco called signals.
The play was a simple handoff right to Ray Rice, which made sense because the last Browns defender to trot on the field was to the far left of the formation at the snap.
And he looked pretty lost as to where he was supposed to be.
The Browns have proved they cannot beat teams when playing 11-on-11. Trying to beat a team down a man seems way too much to ask.
Rice scored easily — the only blemish was that for the first time this season a Ravens back was touched on his way to the end zone against the Browns.
With 12:28 to go in the third quarter, the Ravens led 7-0.
Of course, these are the Browns so they could not merely leave well enough alone.
On first down, Brady Quinn threw toward Robert Royal. The throw was high and wide. Ravens safety Dawan Landry intercepted and scored a touchdown. This one, for good measure, was untouched.
At that point, the Browns' offense needed two scores to take a lead (Shaun Rogers blocked an extra point). It would have been easier to climb Mount Fuji.
Quinn's third-down throw went right through the hands of Mike Furrey and into the hands of the Ravens' Chris Carr.
This set up a field goal, making it 16-0. In just more than half of the third quarter, the Browns had turned a close game into a rout.
That's what happens when the Browns fall behind by 16. This is a team that has gone a year without a running back scoring a touchdown. Expecting them to come back from 16 behind against a defense like the Ravens' is expecting far too much.
The Browns were walking off the field, heads down, as if the deficit were 61.
Oh, there was also a cheap shot thrown in. Quinn, for inexplicable reasons (other than frustration), went low to the knees of the Ravens' Terrell Suggs during Carr's interception return.
A league intent on protecting players would enact a hefty fine for this hit.
Quinn was not blocking — the Ravens had the ball — and he dove at the knee of Suggs and sent Suggs to the locker room. Suggs was not even looking in Quinn's direction when Quinn hit him.
It's hard to think Quinn would try to hurt anyone intentionally, and Quinn did go and say something to Suggs. But a cheap shot is a cheap shot and this was unnecessary.
The game ended in a scary and bizarre way. Josh Cribbs had to be carted off the field after he took a blindside hit from a Ravens lineman on the game's final play. The Browns tried one of those lateral plays — apparently thinking a touchdown and 10-point conversion could tie the game.Cribbs took the shot and was taken off on a stretcher and cart after laying several minutes on the field.
How, then, to measure this loss?
As progress? Hardly.
Is it progress when the offense does not move past the opposing team's 45-yard line, when it runs a quick-rollout-and-throw offense filled with four- and five-yard passes?
Perhaps it's progress that at halftime the score was tied.
Hoo hoo. Zero-zero. Now let's charge in and make adjustments.
Except the only people who thought the first half was good football played for the Browns' defense.
The Ravens got close enough to miss a field goal, the Browns never got close enough to try.
The Browns did go no-huddle and had Quinn throwing quick, short passes. This was done not because of Quinn but to counter the Ravens' aggressive defensive style.
It worked OK. For a half. Though OK must be tempered by the reality that it led to zero points.
Nothing like building for the showdown with the Lions in Detroit with a scoreless first half.
This was neither pretty or attractive, it was just — close.
By early in the fourth quarter, the stands were deserted.
The pregame protest in which fans were not supposed to take their seats for kickoff was more or less a fizzle.
The Browns, though, did the protesters a favor. They played so poorly on offense they brought about a protest all by themselves.
Patrick McManamon can be reached at pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com. Read his blog at http://www.ohio.com/mcmanamon/. Follow Pat on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/patmcmanamon.
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Henderson, Nv
Posted 01:45 AM, 11/17/2009
@PMC:
The late night filing must be the reason for this one barreled article. Hopefully when your rested we'll get your typical with both barrels later this week.
everywhere, oh
Posted 06:07 AM, 11/17/2009
PLEASE keep mangina and quinn. Really keep them, give them contract extensions now. They will get sooo much better. Mangina might learn to count to 11 and quinn might learn how to throw the ball more than 5 yards.
Naples, FL
Posted 06:26 AM, 11/17/2009
I found it funny how the genius talking heads in the Moday night booth continuosly lambasted the Browns coaches for not sticking with Quinn and then continuosly were forced to point out his horrible play. When he finally threw up field twice in the waning minutes they were forced to say,"well, you have to throw the ball between the white lines". Gruden certainly should know better. It's easy to criticize from the press box but tougher when you are the head coach and your player can't play.
norka, OH
Posted 07:26 AM, 11/17/2009
...meka leka hi meka hiney ho..E Missgenie gotta go...
Akron, Oh
Posted 07:31 AM, 11/17/2009
Here we go, brownies, here we go!!! Woof, woof,
Here we go, brownies, here we go!!! Woof, woof,
Here we go, brownies, here we go!!! Woof, woof,
Here we go, brownies, here we go!!! Woof, woof,
Stow, OH
Posted 07:40 AM, 11/17/2009
I still have to question this coaching staff. Quinn didn't look bad when he had time to throw.But if Dowball doesn,t call any down field plays for him what is he supposed to do?
Another thing ,who is the Offensive line coach ?I watched 3 times in a row as the left side of the line collapsed and let a linebacker come in and greet Quinn as soon as he got the ball.I,m screaming at my T.V. ,at least they could put a running back in there to pick the guy up. Of course it never happened, they just ran to the right in stead.
Yes Quinn looked bad in the second half, but it also shows me Baltimore's coach's adjusted at the half and ours did not.
NorthernWestVirginny, WV
Posted 07:46 AM, 11/17/2009
If receivers in Cleveland could catch the ball, there would be no easy pick 6 for the other team. I constantly hear how the pass was high or behind the receiver. Bullsh*t. There are receivers on 31 other teams making those same catches. You are a professional receiver, you make those catches with one hand if necessary.
NorthernWestVirginny, WV
Posted 07:49 AM, 11/17/2009
Why so many stupid plays?? Ten men on the field when you can't beat anyone with 11 on the field?? C'mon, that is for high school teams.
How do you expect your defense to be on the field and shine when they are on the field alllll night.
The offense HAS to chew up some game clock.
Of all the passes that this team drops, why do they hang on to those passes that are behind the line of scrimmage?? Hasn't anyone told them that you MUST get past that line in order to get first downs and score points??
How does Indy and New England score 5 TDs in a quarter and it takes us 14 weeks to do the same??
Posted 08:07 AM, 11/17/2009
Brown out didn't happen?
Woodbine, MD
Posted 08:39 AM, 11/17/2009
Was it just me, or did it seem like John Gruden was spending the first half of his coverage lobbying Randy Lerner for the Browns head coaching job next year?
Posted 08:40 AM, 11/17/2009
Neither QB has ANYBODY to throw a pass to. The Browns receivers scare nobody. There are major college teams that have better receivers than the Browns. Kevin Johnson and Darrin Cheverini from the expansion team were better than what they have now. Mangini has gutted the team of any playmakers.
He has been suckered on every "trade" he has made. I see 2-14 for him and a plane ticket back to New York.
Posted 08:44 AM, 11/17/2009
Why is it we put up with an offensive coordinator who can only come up with about 6 to 10 plays a game (that don't work ) and he still has a job? Other teams would have dumped this coach a long time ago. There has to be a way to get the offense working and this rookie coordinator cannot figure it out.
Dayton, Md
Posted 08:58 AM, 11/17/2009
Fans can only hope that Peter King is correct and that Mike Holmgren will be on board soon! Manidiot has shown that he doesn't belong in the NFL (along with all his offensive coodinator,linebackers, Quinn, Anderson, McDonald, and St. Clair. Hell to get his crew out of Berea we'll need to call the National Guard to assist security!
Cincinnati, OH
Posted 09:02 AM, 11/17/2009
Daboll looks like the 2nd Coming of Steve "Metcalf up the Middle" Crosby.
Katy, tx
Posted 09:48 AM, 11/17/2009
I've been a lifelong Browns' fan and agree with the general sentiment that McManamon uses. Also, eventhough he gets paid for opinion pieces (not real journalism), you need to remember that McManamon as an axe to grind against the Browns organization. He actually left the Beacon Journal and went to work for the Browns as a staff writer, online cheerleader and general corporate spin master - at least until he was "removed" as a result of being so abusive to the Cleveland fan base...so, Pat, everyone knows you could not find a nice thing to say about the Browns players or organization to save your life...
Posted 09:59 AM, 11/17/2009
this was my nightmare. drove 3 hours to game. got a speeding ticket. watched browns look like a very bad first year expansion team. was harrased by drunk brown fan behind me. (you think he might have at least targeted some of the raven fans in the area) lost my wallet. got home at 2:30. up at 6:15. i gotta find something else to do
Powell, OH
Posted 10:13 AM, 11/17/2009
Pat doesn't have to say anything nice. He's writing a column based on the game. This isn't an article on Josh Cribbs being a role model or Brady Quinn's community outreach with Habitat for Humanity. C'mon Man! This team is horrible, and Pat is using his experience with the NFL to simply point out how God-awful this team really is.
Cuyahoga Falls, OH
Posted 10:16 AM, 11/17/2009
Browns looked bad, but we were happy to see the "Brown Out" was a complete failure.
Akron, Oh
Posted 10:29 AM, 11/17/2009
what a mess,tell me how an so-called Offensive coordinator,still have a job,NO DOWN the field throws,I saw NO Offense at ALL..HOW in Gods Green Earth do you still have a JOB..
Monday Night Nightmare..if we weren't the Laughing stock of he NFL before last night we are NOW..
And of course everyone will blame Quinn,don't know why he's not the one who's calling the Offensive Plays, I'm sure he can throw the ball more then
5 yards,heck I don't know hows about a 20 yard pass..
Good God help this team..Please..
Uniontown, Oh
Posted 10:29 AM, 11/17/2009
Receivers, receivers, receivers, receivers, receivers. Db's, db's, db's, db's, db's. High school rubbish. Too bad for the other 25 or so guys that deserve to be on an NFL team.
akron, OH
Posted 10:39 AM, 11/17/2009
Wow, and I was disappointed to be working second shift this week.
Silly me.
ROLL TIDE
fostoria, oh
Posted 10:42 AM, 11/17/2009
how much more do we have to suffer with mangina and dabol. i swear a high school quarterback could call better plays at the line of scrimage. i have no idea what mangina thinks the process is. but the only process i see is to kill a browns franchise. randy learner wake the f__k up and fire this friggin clown
Posted 10:47 AM, 11/17/2009
You guys and gals just don't get it, the Browns are throwing the season for a reason - to get the number 1 draft pick. How else can you explain the horrible play of so called professionals. There playing a guy at running back who has already retired and certainly many more players that are just collecting a paycheck.
I am glad I watched the History channels WWII program.
Akron, OH
Posted 10:51 AM, 11/17/2009
wacargo,
Thanks, I've been beating that drum as well. We deserve objective analysis (yes, that can include opinions).
Wichita Falls, Tx
Posted 10:53 AM, 11/17/2009
So, I watched the game. Ref's were sloppy as usual, made a few BS calls, our O-Line screwed the blocking as usual. Our QB ran for his life as usual, though he had a higher passer rating than DA. Our O-Line, needs to be overhauled, with depth / skill added badly. Quinn for his credit looked good, just didn't have any decent people to throw to. Do our receivers now how to run routes? Our whole offense needs an overhaul, RB's WR, OT (not Joe) OG. Brady can do well but by the time our problems are fixed he'll be in a wheel chair - thanks Mangina for ruining DA & BQ's careers. Holmgren and Chucky together, running this team would make a good combo. BTW - BQ, you've got balls for taking down that JackAZZ Suggs - Best play of the night.
Paradise, Oh
Posted 11:07 AM, 11/17/2009
Here's my take. Quinn is a well known Republican. Last year, he spoke out for McCain/Palin during the run up to the election.
Most of the men who are supposed to be blocking for Quinn might be Obama supporters. I know I am jumping to a conclusion here but they are black guys and I haven't met too many black guys that were for McCain/Palin.
I concede that these "blockers" are also rich and that might make them be Republicans but I don't see a whole lot of blocking going on so I have drawn my conclusions.
A few days after Quinn spoke out for McCain/Palin, he was punched in the mouth by Sean Smith. I never did hear the "reason" for that tap on Quinn's face and Smith was quickly out of here but I have a feeling about what went down.
My solution? If Quinn is going to be the QB....get more Republican blockers for him.
Akron, OH
Posted 11:39 AM, 11/17/2009
Noodles-that's the stupidest comment I've seen on here, and that's saying something!
I thought they played with energy for a change, and it was an exciting game to watch, although obvsly they couldn't get it done in the end.
If you want to have a protest, you should pick something that someone will notice. 50% of fans not in their seats at kickoff is nothing unusual.
Paradise, Oh
Posted 11:45 AM, 11/17/2009
I don't think it's stupid at all. It's a fact that's out there.
One man's idea is another man's garbage.
Quinn is a big right winger in a blue collar town. He's the one that put it out there.
I don't know what he might have said about Obama when he was preaching for McCain...but it got him punched in the mouth by a big black guy a few days later.
Facts is facts Ugly Rayy.
Paradise, Oh
Posted 11:52 AM, 11/17/2009
By the way Rayy...I forgot to thank you for reading my post.
I appreciate your taking the time to read it, even if you thought it was the stupidest thing ever written here.
By the way Rayy...you said that last night's game was an exciting game to watch. Did you count that in the pool of the stupidest stuff ever written here?
Cuyahoga Falls, OH
Posted 11:52 AM, 11/17/2009
I just can't believe what a disaster the Browns have let themselves become, or what a low standard the Learners are apparently willing to accept. The Dolphins turned it around in one year, but there's nothing about the Browns that makes me think 2010 will be a 13-3 season for us.
And now there's talk of Mike Holmgren as team manager. Why does that not fill me with confidence?
uniontown, oh
Posted 12:09 PM, 11/17/2009
Defense didn't look bad. Offense was no where to be seen. Special teams were so so. This game was a few clicks above "the best game of the year.....Brows vs Bills". I might give a special "bark" to the last play. However if my youngest son had done that playing pee wee football in 1989 I would have smacked him upside the head. Football players run up the field, not up and down and sideways all in one play. Well anyway, I still won $100.00 by giving up the points. Can't wait till next week. Good luck.
Posted 12:19 PM, 11/17/2009
You know who's really to blame? The people that buy the tickets to the games! You just keep funding disaster. You deserve what you get!
Posted 12:24 PM, 11/17/2009
And Pat you had to write an article about this - like we don't know they're a lost cause!
Akron, OH
Posted 12:32 PM, 11/17/2009
Noodles,
I get the jest, but your theory might carry more weight if the Browns' OL wasn't 4/5 white.
However, backing up your theory is that, while Steinbach, Mack and Fraley's political persuasions aren't known, Joe Thomas was with Quinn on stage for those McCain rallies and he's a Pro Bowler.
everywhere, oh
Posted 12:38 PM, 11/17/2009
All the browns need are:
A head coach
An offensive line coach
and three new lineman
An offensive coordinator
and a player for every position
A defensive coordinator
who can count
A defensive secondary coach
and new corners, linbackers, and safeties
A punter
Other than that, they look good.
Paradise, Oh
Posted 12:49 PM, 11/17/2009
Jason....that is all true. Also, Peyton Manning is a well known right winger and he does OK.
The fact is, Quinn spent a lot of time running for his life.
If Joe T. has his back...they need some more.
portsmouth, VA
Posted 12:53 PM, 11/17/2009
@Noodles. I think you are on to something, but I believe the real issue is that the offensive line has an issue with Kenyans and Obama is Kenyan and they are getting back at Quinn because he really hates the country of Kenya.
Are the black helicopters flying over your house now? They are over mine...but my tin foil hat will keep them seeing my message to you. Please put yours on so we can continue this truthy debate in private.
portsmouth, VA
Posted 01:03 PM, 11/17/2009
@bob - That was the best worst post about a visit to the Browns stadium I have ever read.
Posted 01:14 PM, 11/17/2009
Pat,
That first interception hit the reciever in the hands. Yes it wasn't in the right/perfect spot, a bad throw if you will. But if the offensive player has the ball go off his hands and is intercepted, I'm usually pinning that one on the receiver, not the QB. (And trust me, I'm no big Quinn fan).
Good first half on defense, which is pretty amazing with the 2 lost LB.
I'd like your articles more if they just said, "The Cleveland Browns suck, they lost again and played badly." Rather than offer a bunch of analysis that most fans already understand.
Dumbell (Daboll the offensive coordinator) is terrible and must go. All that movement trying to confuse the other team, only to throw another short pass (many behind the line of scrimmage).
PS Noodles, I have to agree with Ray, it is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Stop trying to bring politics into everything.
Paradise, Oh
Posted 01:15 PM, 11/17/2009
khen, you have black copters flying over your house?
I'm sorry you have to live in Virginia.
By the way...how's the Mascaca guy doing? I've lost track of him.
Paradise, Oh
Posted 01:16 PM, 11/17/2009
By the way...how's the MACACA guy doing? I've lost track of him.
Paradise, Oh
Posted 01:23 PM, 11/17/2009
Steve...if that's the stupidest thing you have ever heard...you haven't been doing much listening.
Dayton, Md
Posted 01:30 PM, 11/17/2009
Patrick,
The Browns are not hopeless. That term best describes your writing(?) abiliites. Like all bad teams the Browns will eventually get it right. In fact, the odds of the Browns eventually becoming good are much better than your chances as a writer!
portsmouth, VA
Posted 01:32 PM, 11/17/2009
This is only the 4th Browns game I have seen this season. Not wasting money on the NFL package to watch them this year.
Have to admit, I was pleasantly surprised by the defense. I had gotten used to seeing them give up the 7 yard reception and waving at the receiver while he ran another 60 yards all game long. They only had 1 of those this week. Other than that, they looked pretty solid.
I was also impressed with Furrey. He made a couple of nice catches and is showing some promise.
How would you like to be the guy trying to calculate the spread for next week's game against Detroit?
portsmouth, VA
Posted 01:54 PM, 11/17/2009
@McCaca - Why are you sorry that I have to live in Virginia? Nice weather, loads of jobs, nice beaches, yeah I guess you are right.
Macaca Allen is now working for a Republican think tank. Probably pulling in an easy $250k a year.
Akron, OH
Posted 01:56 PM, 11/17/2009
Mcdonald, and Wright, are HAIRDRESSERS..At least when we had Winslow, and Edwards we had someone you had to gameplan around. Now they could put linebackers on our receivers and they still wouldn't get separation. THE BROWNS COULDN"T BEAT OHIO STATE THIS YEAR. This is worse than the 1999 EXPANSION BROWNS. MANGINI HAS TO GO.. This is the team he built, 28 NEW PLAYERS. All those former JETS, none that have any talent. He traded our best players for LATE ROUND PICKS, guys that won't even make the team. This is a disaster. Anyone whos says GIVE MANGINI TIME SHOULD BE SHOT ON SIGHT..This is a PROUD CITY, and FRANCHISE, this has gone on too long. The GUYS FROM ESPN SAID THIS IS THE WORST OFFENSE THEY"VE EVER SEEN.. EVER..This is MANGINI'S Direction..ENJOY
Paradise, Oh
Posted 01:59 PM, 11/17/2009
Well, you were griping that you had black copters over your house and I guess that would be a drag.
You have Langley there so the copters might be from there.
The only thing that flies over my house here in Paradise, Ohio is the occasional blue heron.
portsmouth, VA
Posted 02:04 PM, 11/17/2009
@Noodles - I assumed you had them over your house as well based on the insane posting you had submitted earlier.
Paradise, Oh
Posted 02:17 PM, 11/17/2009
Well...you should never assume.
Bad.
I used to live down there. Right on Monument Avenue in Richmond. It was very nice.
I enjoyed the ladies.
portsmouth, VA
Posted 02:24 PM, 11/17/2009
@Noodles - I agree, Richmond is pretty nice. As far as the ladies, my wife doesn't let me notice.
Anywhere But There, Oh
Posted 04:12 PM, 11/17/2009
The Browns players seemed defeated early in the game. I am sure all the talk about the infamous "brown out" didn't help morale. WTG Dawgpound Mike. Seems like your plan fizzled and was a complete failure - except for further demoralizing the team. Well done.
Clebus, RI
Posted 04:27 PM, 11/17/2009
Sadly, tragically, I got to the point a long time ago where I watch my Browns and cheer them when they scruw the pooch and lose. My only pleasure is to relish their hopeless ineptness and complete lack of football playing ability. I actually get super ticked off when they do something good during a game. And when they rarely win, I actually get angry and disappointed. I wonder how many other Browns fans have come to feel the same way. By the way, I'm old enough to have watched Otto Graham play on a black & white TV. I listened to Jimmy Dudley broadcast the Indians games on my dad's car AM radio. So I've "been there, done that"!
Stow, OH
Posted 04:58 PM, 11/17/2009
Brady Quinn's illegal block on Terrell Suggs was disgustng. It's hard to root for a player who intentionally injures another.
An apology is not enough.
Tallmadge, Oh
Posted 06:39 PM, 11/17/2009
Winslow and Edwards look pretty good now don't they Eric ????
Posted 08:14 AM, 11/18/2009
Just another Pat McManamon regurgitation of his mediocre journalism.
Although its hard to argue against firing Mangini, you've written the exact same article the past 6 games. Can you say vendetta?
Pat... you suck at analysis of football.
Posted 08:18 AM, 11/18/2009
Hey Ret.565, I'll give you Winslow having a decent year, but did you see Edwards cost the Jets points with dropped passes in the end zone in a tight game.Happening with alarming consistency with him.
The best comment by a color commentator in the Jets game said "I guess he only shows up on Monday Night Games".
Where are all the fans that complained about us not taking Mark Sanchez now? He looks like a TYPICAL rookie QB.
Where are all the fans that wanted Josh McDaniels? "The Bronco's are NOT who we thought they were" to paraphrase Denny Green.
akron, oh
Posted 09:02 AM, 11/18/2009
I would be shocked if Holmgren comes here. If he does, Mangini goes. If they get Holmgren, the drafting will get better.
NorthernWestVirginny, WV
Posted 09:34 AM, 11/18/2009
This past Sunday, all the squealers need to GET SWEPT BY THE BENGALS are:
Little ben flat on his back....oops, sorry they had that one covered. Ha ha !!
A head coach
An offensive line coach
and three new lineman
An offensive coordinator
and a player for every position
A defensive coordinator
who can count
A defensive secondary coach
and new corners, linebackers, and safeties
A punter
Other than that, those ladies look good.
Lakewood, oh
Posted 07:54 PM, 11/19/2009
"Bad News Browns". Maybe Lerner should sell the Team to Chico's Bail Bonds and hire Buttermaker as the coach/gm. Get that kelly Leak kid too. Looks promising.
